There are so many websites out there with Java scripts running that it is almost a necessity to have some sort of JVM installed. Sun is not abandoning it anytime soon and the Sun JVM works just fine and is easy to install. JK "Hutchinson, Alan" v.uk> wrote: This is not my area at all really but I feel a discussion coming on here in the next week or so and as such would appreciate input either from experts in the know or just crystal ball gazers. With the demise of MS Java and new Windows XP PCs coming with SP2 there is by default no JVM installed on PC's. With a move to 'flexible working' and users being able to use their own PC's from home for work purposes the Java option for WI was always attractive (forget the interface) for the zero footprint installation. Will users want to install a JVM ?, or will they even know what one is?. Is it a must for general home use and surfing etc. and will it be so in the future ?(no I don't have a PC at home and my PC at work has a JVM so it's quite difficult to tell what I may be missing). Personally, for business purposes, and where we have some control over what is and isn't installed I've preferred the ICA Web client but I'm not sure that we'll get away in futrure that users install this on their own PC's. Regards, Alan.