You? Naaah... well, maybe. :-) But seriously, you seem to enjoy the good-humored jousting as much as I, and your exquisite musical taste belies your keen intellect, which only serves to make your fascination with quirky overpriced computer equipment all the more perplexing. (BTW, tickets for Rush are on sale for all cities, except Portland <groan> http://www.rush.com/tourdates.html ) But my bias for HP equipment comes from my experience with it and all other equipment, nothing else. Personally, I despise HP. They built a large plant 10 miles from my hometown, causing massive growth in the population and cost of housing, ruining the town. And call me sexist if you like, but I dumped all of my HP stock when they hired Carly (which saved me a lot of money). But over the years working for various companies, I've installed HP, Compaq, Dell, Gateway, Unisys, IBM, ALR, Acer (yep, they make servers, albeit very cheap), etc. Intel-based servers. And I have consistently found the HP equipment to be easier to setup, work on and service, more reliable, better supported and at a more reasonable price-point than anything else. Whereas I've found the Compaq stuff breaks more often, they take longer to deliver parts (1 week average for tape drives, for example), and they have bizarre nuances: you can't hang scsi devices on the internal and external scsi controller simultaneously; you can't use a tape library on the external controller; God help you if you apply an NT4 SP and forgot not to overwrite the OEM HAL; they won't post when connected to a KVM when they're not selected; etc. The HAL issue is really annoying becasue there's no reason for having a hardware specific HAL for a simple Intel based platform - I can forgive Unisys for doing it, but there's no reason why any standard OEM needs to. And then there's the minor annoying issue that as a reseller, I have to pay them for the privilege of selling their stuff, and I have to pay for their training and then pay them more money for the honor of fixing it. But lots of resellers like to sell Compaq for no other reason than its higher markup. I also like the Dell stuff and you certainly can't beat the value that they provide, but they have no partner channel and no enterprise management capability, so I make no money from it's sale or service. Still, I have steered many a client to buy Dell servers, and almost always their PCs, because I have my clients buy what's best for them, not me. Of course, I don't love everything about HP servers - like those crappy bezels, and I'll certainly agree that some of their boxes just plain suck - the entire E-series for example. But the old LH4s and LH6000s and LXr8500s just plain kick butt. Probably the most disappointing thing about the HP/Compaq merger is that they're still not going to produce even 1 single decent PC. But as long as the local 7-11 doesn't run out of Dew Slurpees, I'll be happy! :) Oh heck, I should make this post somewhat pertinent to Thin: TSE is not supported on the HP E60. How's that? - peace --- Jeff Rapp <JeffR@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Gee Steve, could you be talking about me? > > You know many people still love things that are bad > for them, smoking, > gambling, excessive drinking, HP Servers, etc. So I > don't hold your comments > against you. I know that one day you'll stop and say > "How could I have been > so blind for all these years, these Compaqs are the > best!" > > And when you do I will welcome you with open arms > ;-) > > Jeff > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========================== This Weeks Sponsor New Moon Canaveral iQ New Moon makes central deployment and management of server-based applications simple! Now intelligent Printing with UniDriver! See a demo at: http://www.newmoon.com/products/demo/