You can do a tcpdump in the Steelhead and open it with ethereal. For us it doesn't matter, but for my buddy it screws up ACLs in the routers. Roger Riggins Network Administrator Lutheran Services in Iowa w: 319.859.3543 c: 319.290.5687 http://www.lsiowa.org -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:28 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Riverbed and Snapmirror We have seen the same thing with the Citrix WANscaler product. It turns out that much of what goes over WAN connections can either be optimized in terms of TCP windows and sessions, CIFS efficiencies, or, simply cached at the target end. The carriers must know this, but prefer not the say anything :-) I think that WANScaler has one advantage over Riverbed- the traffic is not encapsulated in a proprietary protocol so that network monitoring tools, QOS, etc. can still see each individual session and packet..... Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 www.thinclient.net steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig ThinHelp.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:33 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: Riverbed and Snapmirror Im still waiting to get one to test. Hopefully soon.. I'll let you all know. Jim On 12/22/06, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: How did the Citrix WANScalers hold up? Joe ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Riggins Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:42 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] OT: Riverbed and Snapmirror FYI Those of you that use NetApp filers and SnapMirror for replication may have heard Riverbed's claim to optimize 80% of the traffic. We put in a couple of eval units and their claim held up. Only about 20% of our SnapMirror traffic actually traversed the WAN. Our first snap was about 1.5GB and we sent it over a T1 (512 CIR) in under an hour. That's pretty impressive. Roger Riggins Network Administrator Lutheran Services in Iowa w: 319.859.3543 c: 319.290.5687 http://www.lsiowa.org <http://www.lsiowa.org/> Lutheran Services in Iowa Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this communication may be confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender. -- Jim Kenzig Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services http://www.thinhelp.com Citrix Technology Professional Provision Networks VIP CEO The Kenzig Group http://www.kenzig.com Blog: http://www.techblink.com <b>Lutheran Services in Iowa Confidentiality Notice:</b><br> <red>The information contained in this communication may be confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender.</red>