[THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with?
- From: "Bernd Harzog" <Bernd.Harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:07:35 -0500
Joe,
I wish we could solve all of the problems created by "bad" and "sloppy"
programming practices in the Microsoft applications enviroment. As much as I
appreciate your assumption that we can, the fundamental facts are:
1) Microsoft is in a race with the Java folks to make developers more
productive, and to allow them to get their applications into production more
quickly than would be possible if you built them in a non-Microsoft way.
2) Developers (no matter what platform or middleware they are writing to) are
under unrelenting pressure from their business staff to get the next feature
set into the software.
1 and 2 above combine to create a situation where software is written with the
objective of getting the desired functionality into the hands of the user as
fast as possible, because this is what pays the bills for either the business
folks in the IS shop or the product managers at the software vendors. The net
result of this is that operational efficiency and reliabilty take a second seat
to the addition of features. We at RTO exist for the sole purpose of allowing
you to have your cake and eat it to - which means that developers can add
features quickly and RTO takes care of making it run well in your environment.
So, the bottom line is that you can count on us to do what we can to push the
balance of the scales back towards a compromise between functionality and
performance/stability. It is unrealistic to expect us to solve all of the
problems that the pressure to have a fast time to market create.
Best Regards,
Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software
bernd@xxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: Shonk, Joe - Perot [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Fri 2/13/2004 5:40 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Cc:
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with?
Not Microsoft's fault? I tend to disagree. Asside from a whole
discussion
on Microsoft's inability to reclaim those resources. After all, that is
what TScale does. So it is possible.
Anyway, reboots are Microsoft's fault... Take a look at MS Bulletin
04-007,
it is marked as critical and it requires a reboot. For a small 8/5
shop,
rebooting a server is not a big deal. For a 24/7 Enterprise, it's not
quite
that simple.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Bernd Harzog [mailto:Bernd.Harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:52 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with?
On the issue of reboots, this is not really Microsoft's fault, nor is =
the fault of Citrix. It is the fault of whoever developed your =
applications and shipped them to you with resource leaks (memory, =
handles, etc.). End user applications (which is what you run on your =
Citrix servers) are fairy prone to leaks, which is why you generally =
need to reboot those servers either nightly or weekly.
Cheers,
Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software, Inc.
bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx
678-455-5506 x701
www.rtosoft.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Luchette, Jon [mailto:JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:33 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal
with?
"What's the biggest pain in the ass in the Citrix world?" That's easy,
printing, hands down. Printing to every printer from every application
=
from
every type of device. My biggest nightmare is getting calls from people
trying to print from our main HIS application (I work at a hospital) =
over
citrix while using either a MAC client or a CE thin client. It sucks, =
and
that's all there is to it.
As far as the reboot schedule... I think it is pretty ridiculous for =
someone
to think that they will never have to reboot their Citrix servers.
They =
are
right, in a way, you shouldn't have to reboot Windows 2k servers in =
general
and we have many Win2k servers that don't ever need reboots, but when =
you
throw Citrix/Terminal Services in the mix with heavy usage, reboots to =
me
are considered mandatory.
/jL
-----Original Message-----
From: Spencer Sun [mailto:ssun@xxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:45 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with?
On a side note, I was wondering how many of you have a reboot schedule
enable on your Metaframe farm. What OS and the how often you reboot. =
IF
you stagger the reboots in different parts of the farm, etc.
I've a client who absolutely refuses to schedule reboots on the farm, =
They
have Windows 2000 farm and firmly believe that Windows 2000 does NOT =
require
reboots. I believe that part of the problem is that they do not want
unattended reboots, as they are afraid servers will not come back up. =
Seems
kinda funky to me, but I wanted to get a feel for what the rest of the
communicty is doing.
Thanks
Spencer
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Madden [mailto:brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:25 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with?
Hello All,
Since it's Friday I thought I'd ask something that I've been wondering =
for a
long time.
I'm a consultant and I focus 100% on Citrix and server-based computing.
While I work with a lot of different IT departments, I've never
actually =
had
to run my own Citrix farm day after day. (Which means I'm either totally
lucky or a total sham!)
Anyway, as Citrix administrators, what's the one thing that's the =
biggest
pain in the butt in running your Citrix farms? Printing? AV? Security
Patches? Profiles?
Hmm. maybe I should say "other than the users, what's the biggest pain?"
:-)
Just curious,
Brian
Brian Madden
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
+1.202.302.3657
Visit <http://www.brianmadden.com> www.brianmadden.com for in-depth =
Citrix,
Terminal Server, and server-based computing news and analysis, white =
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