agreed 100 percent. this response was even unaccetable to them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernd Harzog" <Bernd.Harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with? On the issue of reboots, this is not really Microsoft's fault, nor is = the fault of Citrix. It is the fault of whoever developed your = applications and shipped them to you with resource leaks (memory, = handles, etc.). End user applications (which is what you run on your = Citrix servers) are fairy prone to leaks, which is why you generally = need to reboot those servers either nightly or weekly. Cheers, Bernd Harzog CEO RTO Software, Inc. bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx 678-455-5506 x701 www.rtosoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Luchette, Jon [mailto:JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:33 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with? "What's the biggest pain in the ass in the Citrix world?" That's easy, printing, hands down. Printing to every printer from every application = from every type of device. My biggest nightmare is getting calls from people trying to print from our main HIS application (I work at a hospital) = over citrix while using either a MAC client or a CE thin client. It sucks, = and that's all there is to it. As far as the reboot schedule... I think it is pretty ridiculous for = someone to think that they will never have to reboot their Citrix servers. They = are right, in a way, you shouldn't have to reboot Windows 2k servers in = general and we have many Win2k servers that don't ever need reboots, but when = you throw Citrix/Terminal Services in the mix with heavy usage, reboots to = me are considered mandatory. /jL -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Sun [mailto:ssun@xxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 2:45 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with? On a side note, I was wondering how many of you have a reboot schedule enable on your Metaframe farm. What OS and the how often you reboot. = IF you stagger the reboots in different parts of the farm, etc. I've a client who absolutely refuses to schedule reboots on the farm, = They have Windows 2000 farm and firmly believe that Windows 2000 does NOT = require reboots. I believe that part of the problem is that they do not want unattended reboots, as they are afraid servers will not come back up. = Seems kinda funky to me, but I wanted to get a feel for what the rest of the communicty is doing. Thanks Spencer -----Original Message----- From: Brian Madden [mailto:brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:25 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with? Hello All, Since it's Friday I thought I'd ask something that I've been wondering = for a long time. I'm a consultant and I focus 100% on Citrix and server-based computing. While I work with a lot of different IT departments, I've never actually = had to run my own Citrix farm day after day. (Which means I'm either totally lucky or a total sham!) Anyway, as Citrix administrators, what's the one thing that's the = biggest pain in the butt in running your Citrix farms? Printing? AV? Security Patches? Profiles? Hmm. maybe I should say "other than the users, what's the biggest pain?" :-) Just curious, Brian Brian Madden brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx +1.202.302.3657 Visit <http://www.brianmadden.com> www.brianmadden.com for in-depth = Citrix, Terminal Server, and server-based computing news and analysis, white = papers, downloadable videos, and product reviews. ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Vizioncore, Inc. --> vc-iMonitor - Performance Monitoring, Control & Reporting --> vc-iControl - Desktop & Start Menu Management & Reporting --> vc-iMapper - Drive, Printer & COM Management & Reporting http://vizioncore.com/products.html ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Vizioncore, Inc. --> vc-iMonitor - Performance Monitoring, Control & Reporting --> vc-iControl - Desktop & Start Menu Management & Reporting --> vc-iMapper - Drive, Printer & COM Management & Reporting http://vizioncore.com/products.html ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Vizioncore, Inc.=20 --> vc-iMonitor - Performance Monitoring, Control & Reporting=20 --> vc-iControl - Desktop & Start Menu Management & Reporting=20 --> vc-iMapper - Drive, Printer & COM Management & Reporting=20 http://vizioncore.com/products.html=20 ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=20 set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Vizioncore, Inc.=20 --> vc-iMonitor - Performance Monitoring, Control & Reporting=20 --> vc-iControl - Desktop & Start Menu Management & Reporting=20 --> vc-iMapper - Drive, Printer & COM Management & Reporting=20 http://vizioncore.com/products.html=20 ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=20 set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Vizioncore, Inc. --> vc-iMonitor - Performance Monitoring, Control & Reporting --> vc-iControl - Desktop & Start Menu Management & Reporting --> vc-iMapper - Drive, Printer & COM Management & Reporting http://vizioncore.com/products.html ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Vizioncore, Inc. --> vc-iMonitor - Performance Monitoring, Control & Reporting --> vc-iControl - Desktop & Start Menu Management & Reporting --> vc-iMapper - Drive, Printer & COM Management & Reporting http://vizioncore.com/products.html ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm