[THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with?
- From: "Ian Aston" <iaston@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:50:15 -0000
I agree 100% with this Matt. I have implemented numerous farms and I always
insist on nightly reboots. I have put forth the same logical arguments as you
have. Another thing I try and educate our clients about is getting them out of
the massive server uptime frame of mind. It's server hardware performing
desktop functions. Generally they come around to my way of thinking when I tell
them that the farm and applications will have 100% availability and the servers
don't need that.
My reboot script (or set of scripts) sends a message to users, disables logons,
sends another message, waits, kicks them out if they don't log out, reboots,
deletes profiles that are still present (no matter what there are always dodgy
rogue profiles kicking about!!) logs an event to the event log and then
re-enables logons. I have found that implementing this has helped to solve
loads of major and minor issues that were occuring in farms that I was not
involved in building.
Ian
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Sent: 16/02/2004 14:39
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with?
We have 4 different farms (W2K MFXP) all rebooted nightly in a staggered
fashion. I tell our customers who balk at nightly reboots this line of
logic. Do you let your desktop Windows PC run without reboot for days
on end? Now imagine the same PC being used by 30-40 people a day would
you still not reboot frequently? This usually convinces them as
everyone has had a Windows desktop go south on them (Yes even W2K or
XP).
I know where people are coming from when they ask this though. They
feel the reboot simply masks underlying stability problems. I used to
reboot only 1/week but the lowest common denominator is the crappiest
application on the box. There is a lot of crap out there these days.
It just doesn't make sense with the poorly written apps and weekly
security patches that impact a terminal server these days not to clean
it up with a reboot after hours nightly.
>>> Andrew.Rogers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 2/16/2004 4:38:36 AM >>>
2 nt4 servers here, MF1.8, we reboot nightly! :o
tends to solve more problems and keep things smooth i find :)
Andrew
--o--
>>> ssun@xxxxxxxx 13/02/04 19:44:46 >>>
On a side note, I was wondering how many of you have a reboot schedule
enable on your Metaframe farm. What OS and the how often you reboot.
IF
you stagger the reboots in different parts of the farm, etc.
I've a client who absolutely refuses to schedule reboots on the farm,
They
have Windows 2000 farm and firmly believe that Windows 2000 does NOT
require
reboots. I believe that part of the problem is that they do not want
unattended reboots, as they are afraid servers will not come back up.
Seems
kinda funky to me, but I wanted to get a feel for what the rest of the
communicty is doing.
Thanks
Spencer
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Madden [mailto:brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:25 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
Subject: [THIN] OT: What's the biggest problem you deal with?
Hello All,
Since it's Friday I thought I'd ask something that I've been wondering
for a
long time.
I'm a consultant and I focus 100% on Citrix and server-based
computing.
While I work with a lot of different IT departments, I've never
actually had
to run my own Citrix farm day after day. (Which means I'm either
totally
lucky or a total sham!)
Anyway, as Citrix administrators, what's the one thing that's the
biggest
pain in the butt in running your Citrix farms? Printing? AV? Security
Patches? Profiles?
Hmm. maybe I should say "other than the users, what's the biggest
pain?"
:-)
Just curious,
Brian
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