Next year our contract will be up with our current provider of frame. I have been approached by a company that provides ATM host to host or host to Internet access. They say ATM has no CIR and is cheaper as a result. We currently have 5 sites connecting back to our host site using frame relay (384 w 192CIR). From experience has anyone found ATM or Frame to be better then the other....if so why? Thanks for any feedback, Matthew Shrewsbury, MCSE+Internet MCSE 2000 CCA Server+ Senior Network Administrator