[THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
- From: "Jan Broucinek" <tinybeetle@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:53:57 -0400
Well, with MF XP you could do that. You can have as many servers as you
want. Just think a L.A.S.T. Cluster (Large Array of Stale Technology)!
Jan Broucinek, System Manager
Arthur Rutenberg Homes, Inc.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:40 AM
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
> Cool. I would only need 125 of those for my 500 user farm. :)
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan Broucinek [mailto:tinybeetle@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:32 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
>
> You laugh. I have a test server that is a clone P166MMX with 128MB of RAM
> and an IDE hard drive. I can successfully get 4 users on that with no real
> problems or horrible slow-down. Yes it is slower, but not unbearable.
>
> Jan Broucinek, System Manager
> Arthur Rutenberg Homes, Inc.
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August
> 13, 2002 10:24 AM> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor>>> >> > How
> many Citrix users do you get on that 4 year old Gateway (Pentium133)> >
> server? LOL!> >> > Brian> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Jeff
> Stockard [mailto:JStockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002
> 10:11 AM> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost
> humor> >> >> >> > If you have 3 servers (as in the original post) and on the
> same day, all> > three go down (as in the original post). You have 100%
> failure. He had> > 2 extra power supply units, so he got two of them back
> up. This is> > still a 33% failure. I have a Gateway server that has been
> up for 4> > years. It only goes down when I take it down. That is 100%
> uptime.> > The reason of failure on these machines is the power supply unit,
> that> > makes it the servers fault. If it were blue screens from drivers,
> the> > 360 would not be to blame. A power supply unit is supposed to be the
> > most stable part of the computer. My home computer has had the same
> > power supply since November 1997.
> > Just my experience.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx]=20
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:37 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
> >
> >
> > It is 100% failure rate for the power supplies....I never said it
> > wasn't.
> > My point was, in the year and half that I've had these servers, no one
> > server was ever down for more than 4 hours. The only time any one of
> > them
> > has been down has been for the bad power supply. The replacement power
> > supplies have completely resolved that issue. Only 4 hours downtime in
> > a
> > year is 99% uptime easy....not complete failure as you state. Since I
> > have
> > so much flexibility and redundancy thanks to the design the DL360, I
> > don't
> > really care about the short outage. They haven't failed during
> > operation,
> > only at POST during a reboot and Compaq has been onsite within 4 hours
> > to
> > replace them when necessary. My other Compaq servers have not been down
> > at
> > all in the last 1 1/2 years.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:JStockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:34 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
> >
> >
> >
> > Frank Anderson, said he has had 10 out of 12 fail. That is an 83%
> > failure rate. That is a poor average even for a baseball player. The
> > original post said 3 out of 3 failures. That is 100% failure rate.
> > Yes, I do wish I could let my job performance be judged on those
> > standards. I would be making 1 million a year. :)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:04 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
> >
> >
> > Hey, stuff happens. Nothing is perfect. Think if your work was judged
> > the
> > in the same manner you are judging the DL360. If the same standards
> > were
> > used (zero tolerance for failure) then you would probably be out of a
> > job.
> > Even with the bad power supplies (which are now fixed) they are still
> > great
> > servers. They are still my server of choice for the level of
> > flexibility
> > they offer. I haven't had any power supply failures once they have been
> > replaced. Compared to any of the Dell, HP, or IBM servers, the Compaq
> > servers rock. With exception to the power supply failures on the
> > DL360s,
> > I've had zero problems with my any of my Compaq servers. With the
> > redundancy that I have built in thanks to the inexpensive DL360s, the
> > impact
> > from the power supply failures has been minimal. The DL360s have still
> > achieve 99% uptime even with the faulty power supplies at a fraction of
> > the
> > cost of big servers.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anderson, Frank [mailto:Frank.Anderson@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:09 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
> >
> >
> >
> > To add:
> >
> > 10 power supply replacements out of 12 here.
> >
> > -Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:EZiots@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:21 PM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep,=3D3D20
> >
> > I have had 5 at my site go bad also, I think there was a previous thread
> > =3D3D
> > on
> > this, I never trusted the Pizza boxes that much anyways, and the Compaq
> > Folks was in my datacenter getting serial numbers for the units that =
> > =3D3D
> > haven't
> > failed yet, to get the fix for em.=3D3D20
> >
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> >
> > EZ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mason Dively [mailto:mdively@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:52 AM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
> >
> >
> > Wow!! That is hilarious!! Its funny because I understand your pain--we
> > have about 10 of those bad boys and have had to replace the power =3D3D
> > supplies
> > on all but 1 or 2. Compaq has a Service Advisory about these being
> > defective in a portion of the 360's, but the kicker is they won't =3D3D
> > replace
> > the power supply until it goes bad--so basically you have to wait until
> > =3D3D
> > your
> > server dies!! =3D3D20
> >
> > Thanks,
> > =3D3D20
> > Mason B. Dively MCP,CCA
> > Amdocs CMI Windows Administration
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:41 AM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] OT: DL360 almost humor
> >
> >
> > For those that remember the threads a few weeks ago about =
> > DL360s...=3D3D20
> >
> > I had purchased 3 of them almost a year ago. They sat humming quietly =
> > =3D
> > =3D3D
> > along
> > in my datacenter. I never had a problem. Until this morning. I came =
> > =3D
> > =3D3D
> > in to
> > find one down. Tried to boot it, and it said the power supply was bad.
> > Thankfully I keep a spare. Replaced it, rebooted, all was good. As it
> > =3D3D
> > was
> > coming up, a second one suddenly powered down. I said "hmmm...." and =
> > =3D
> > =3D3D
> > tried
> > to power it back up. Bad power supply! I pulled one of my test 360s =
> > =3D
> > =3D3D
> > and
> > yanked the power supply from it, and got that one rebooting. As it was
> > coming up... you guessed it, the 3rd died. I swear, it was so funny I =
> > =3D
> > =3D3D
> > had
> > to laugh. They actually died in the same order they had been activated
> > =3D3D
> > in,
> > one right after the other. I felt like I was on Bloopers or something!
> > =3D3D
> > The
> > third, sadly, is down until I can get a replacement power supply. Gah!
> >
> > -Paul
> >
> >
> >
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