[THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
- From: "Ron Oglesby" <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:45:57 -0500
Brian...
126, don't forget the N+1 :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:40 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
Cool. I would only need 125 of those for my 500 user farm. :)
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Broucinek [mailto:tinybeetle@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:32 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
You laugh. I have a test server that is a clone P166MMX with 128MB of
RAM
and an IDE hard drive. I can successfully get 4 users on that with no
real
problems or horrible slow-down. Yes it is slower, but not unbearable.
Jan Broucinek, System Manager
Arthur Rutenberg Homes, Inc.
(727) 536-5900 voice
(727) 536-7168 x245 direct
(727) 538-9089 fax
www.arhomes.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:24 AM
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
> How many Citrix users do you get on that 4 year old Gateway (Pentium
133)
> server? LOL!
>
> Brian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:JStockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:11 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
>
>
> If you have 3 servers (as in the original post) and on the same day,
all
> three go down (as in the original post). You have 100% failure. He
had
> 2 extra power supply units, so he got two of them back up. This is
> still a 33% failure. I have a Gateway server that has been up for 4
> years. It only goes down when I take it down. That is 100% uptime.
> The reason of failure on these machines is the power supply unit, that
> makes it the servers fault. If it were blue screens from drivers, the
> 360 would not be to blame. A power supply unit is supposed to be the
> most stable part of the computer. My home computer has had the same
> power supply since November 1997.
> Just my experience.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:37 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
>
> It is 100% failure rate for the power supplies....I never said it
> wasn't.
> My point was, in the year and half that I've had these servers, no one
> server was ever down for more than 4 hours. The only time any one of
> them
> has been down has been for the bad power supply. The replacement
power
> supplies have completely resolved that issue. Only 4 hours downtime
in
> a
> year is 99% uptime easy....not complete failure as you state. Since I
> have
> so much flexibility and redundancy thanks to the design the DL360, I
> don't
> really care about the short outage. They haven't failed during
> operation,
> only at POST during a reboot and Compaq has been onsite within 4 hours
> to
> replace them when necessary. My other Compaq servers have not been
down
> at
> all in the last 1 1/2 years.
>
> Brian
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:JStockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:34 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
>
>
> Frank Anderson, said he has had 10 out of 12 fail. That is an 83%
> failure rate. That is a poor average even for a baseball player. The
> original post said 3 out of 3 failures. That is 100% failure rate.
> Yes, I do wish I could let my job performance be judged on those
> standards. I would be making 1 million a year. :)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:04 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
>
> Hey, stuff happens. Nothing is perfect. Think if your work was
judged
> the
> in the same manner you are judging the DL360. If the same standards
> were
> used (zero tolerance for failure) then you would probably be out of a
> job.
> Even with the bad power supplies (which are now fixed) they are still
> great
> servers. They are still my server of choice for the level of
> flexibility
> they offer. I haven't had any power supply failures once they have
been
> replaced. Compared to any of the Dell, HP, or IBM servers, the Compaq
> servers rock. With exception to the power supply failures on the
> DL360s,
> I've had zero problems with my any of my Compaq servers. With the
> redundancy that I have built in thanks to the inexpensive DL360s, the
> impact
> from the power supply failures has been minimal. The DL360s have
still
> achieve 99% uptime even with the faulty power supplies at a fraction
of
> the
> cost of big servers.
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anderson, Frank [mailto:Frank.Anderson@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
>
>
> To add:
>
> 10 power supply replacements out of 12 here.
>
> -Frank
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:EZiots@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:21 PM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
>
>
> Yep,=3D3D3D20
>
> I have had 5 at my site go bad also, I think there was a previous
thread
> =3D3D3D
> on
> this, I never trusted the Pizza boxes that much anyways, and the
Compaq
> Folks was in my datacenter getting serial numbers for the units that =
=3D
> =3D3D3D
> haven't
> failed yet, to get the fix for em.=3D3D3D20
>
> Word to the wise, GO WITH THE CHEAP STUFF, GET THE CHEAP
RESULTS.=3D3D3D20
>
> EZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mason Dively [mailto:mdively@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:52 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor
>
>
> Wow!! That is hilarious!! Its funny because I understand your
pain--we
> have about 10 of those bad boys and have had to replace the power
=3D3D3D
> supplies
> on all but 1 or 2. Compaq has a Service Advisory about these being
> defective in a portion of the 360's, but the kicker is they won't
=3D3D3D
> replace
> the power supply until it goes bad--so basically you have to wait
until
> =3D3D3D
> your
> server dies!! =3D3D3D20
>
> Thanks,
> =3D3D3D20
> Mason B. Dively MCP,CCA
> Amdocs CMI Windows Administration
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:41 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] OT: DL360 almost humor
>
>
> For those that remember the threads a few weeks ago about =3D
> DL360s...=3D3D3D20
>
> I had purchased 3 of them almost a year ago. They sat humming quietly
=3D
> =3D3D
> =3D3D3D
> along
> in my datacenter. I never had a problem. Until this morning. I came
=3D
> =3D3D
> =3D3D3D
> in to
> find one down. Tried to boot it, and it said the power supply was
bad.
> Thankfully I keep a spare. Replaced it, rebooted, all was good. As
it
> =3D3D3D
> was
> coming up, a second one suddenly powered down. I said "hmmm...." and
=3D
> =3D3D
> =3D3D3D
> tried
> to power it back up. Bad power supply! I pulled one of my test 360s
=3D
> =3D3D
> =3D3D3D
> and
> yanked the power supply from it, and got that one rebooting. As it
was
> coming up... you guessed it, the 3rd died. I swear, it was so funny I
=3D
> =3D3D
> =3D3D3D
> had
> to laugh. They actually died in the same order they had been
activated
> =3D3D3D
> in,
> one right after the other. I felt like I was on Bloopers or
something!
> =3D3D3D
> The
> third, sadly, is down until I can get a replacement power supply.
Gah!
>
> -Paul
>
>
>
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