But a DL360 is just one big hot-swap unit! -- David Nicholls, CCA e-Services Technology Team London Borough of Camden * david.nicholls@xxxxxxxxxxxxx * 020 7974 4839 -----Original Message----- From: Mackaway, Mark [mailto:mark.mackaway@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 13 August 2002 09:33 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor My 2cents worth: Anything with only 1 PSU is always going to be a liability. From an ex-medical and now banking POV then the 360s (and we have 10 here with no dramas) are only used for expendible, non-LOB applications. For the terminal servers we use 80 380s/380G2s,and have about one hardware problem every two months, and that is a usually a disk failure. But when one PSU goes I am always thankful for the spare. For important NT-based backend apps we use clustered servers. It depends on how much you want to lose your data. You pays your money, and you takes your chances, though. Mark Mark Mackaway Snr. Network Analyst, Citrix Network Development Royal Bank of Scotland, Offshore Jersey, Channel Islands -----Original Message----- From: Angus Macdonald [mailto:Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 13 August 2002 09:08 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor _______________________________________________________ **** This mail originates from the Internet **** _______________________________________________________ I just don't think the DL360 is reliable. In addition to several PSUs, I've had three dead motherboards, a faulty DIMM and a trashed RAID controller. I've only got 9 machines. -----Original Message----- From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: 12 August 2002 21:04 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor Hey, stuff happens. Nothing is perfect. Think if your work was judged the in the same manner you are judging the DL360. If the same standards were used (zero tolerance for failure) then you would probably be out of a job. Even with the bad power supplies (which are now fixed) they are still great servers. They are still my server of choice for the level of flexibility they offer. I haven't had any power supply failures once they have been replaced. Compared to any of the Dell, HP, or IBM servers, the Compaq servers rock. With exception to the power supply failures on the DL360s, I've had zero problems with my any of my Compaq servers. With the redundancy that I have built in thanks to the inexpensive DL360s, the impact from the power supply failures has been minimal. The DL360s have still achieve 99% uptime even with the faulty power supplies at a fraction of the cost of big servers. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Anderson, Frank [mailto:Frank.Anderson@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:09 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor To add: 10 power supply replacements out of 12 here. -Frank -----Original Message----- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:EZiots@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:21 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor Yep,=20 I have had 5 at my site go bad also, I think there was a previous thread = on this, I never trusted the Pizza boxes that much anyways, and the Compaq Folks was in my datacenter getting serial numbers for the units that = haven't failed yet, to get the fix for em.=20 Word to the wise, GO WITH THE CHEAP STUFF, GET THE CHEAP RESULTS.=20 EZ -----Original Message----- From: Mason Dively [mailto:mdively@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:52 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor Wow!! That is hilarious!! Its funny because I understand your pain--we have about 10 of those bad boys and have had to replace the power = supplies on all but 1 or 2. Compaq has a Service Advisory about these being defective in a portion of the 360's, but the kicker is they won't = replace the power supply until it goes bad--so basically you have to wait until = your server dies!! =20 Thanks, =20 Mason B. Dively MCP,CCA Amdocs CMI Windows Administration -----Original Message----- From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:41 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] OT: DL360 almost humor For those that remember the threads a few weeks ago about DL360s...=20 I had purchased 3 of them almost a year ago. They sat humming quietly = along in my datacenter. I never had a problem. Until this morning. I came = in to find one down. Tried to boot it, and it said the power supply was bad. Thankfully I keep a spare. Replaced it, rebooted, all was good. 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