[THIN] Re: Novell Integration
- From: "Craig M. Luchtefeld" <craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:37:30 -0500
Yeah, you could run something like Novells DirXML to sync up the two
directories if you had too. Something like that would be nice for passwords
in my situation, but, I doubt we'll see it unless we have lots of password
sync problems.
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:24 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Novell Integration
MetaDirectory is tooooo much for that.
In yoru case (needing Windows and Netware credentials) you generally would
not use the Netware/ZEN integration fro MetaFrame. Instead you would put the
Netware client on the Citrix server and manage the citrix servers using
windows accounts.
Citrix even states that the Netware ZEN support is only for environments
WITHOUT domains.
Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
RapidApp
Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Kosht [mailto:matt.kosht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:37 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Novell Integration
I pulled the trigger on Zen/Novell route myself this past weekend. Still
chasing down problems (printing mostly). Zen on paper looks great in
practice very buggy/problematic. Also had some apps that had to map drive
letters to Windows servers that's fun w/o any Windows credentials.
Microsoft has a product called Metadirectory service that can supposedly
sync the two directories AD and eDirectory.
I am thinking that might be the best option to solve this dilemma.
I am just wishing I could have pulled the plug on Novell altogether and went
pure AD but as John Belushi would say "Buuuttt Nooooo!".
>>> craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx 9/9/2003 12:25:01 AM >>>
BTW, I decided to go the AD/Novell route without the Zenworks piece. It's
going
to be a terrible pain, though, over the next few days as everyone has to
sync
their Novell password with their new Windows password. That's only 1500
students I get to deal with in a two day span.
What's even better about this setup is almost every app either has some
video,
audio or COM port mapping that goes along with it. Woooot!
Quoting craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx:
> How did I know that you were going to respond?
>
> I might take a look at both solutions, then, this weekend. I need to get
> moving on this and I'm afraid that the Windows route is going to be a bit
too
>
> burdensome. At this point in time, the school has no plans to move from
> NetWare any time soon. Actually, their servers have been rock solid and
have
>
> had no problems since their inception (knock on wood).
>
> I know NetWare enough to do whatever I need in NWAdmin. Outside of that,
> though, I have to rely on others. We do have two guys though, that know
> Novell
> stuff inside and out. So, I'm not too worried about the support.
>
> My biggest concern is not that one of these routes wont work - I know that
> they
> will. My concern is about simplicity. Their "administrator" doesnt know
> much
> in the way of network administration and thankfully she knows as much.
What
> I
> want is to be able to leave this project and know that Im not going to get
a
>
> call every 4 hours on how to do such and such. By adding in the Windows
> component, I know that things will get a bit more complex than they would
> have
> with the ZENWorks route.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the input. Ill take a look at the DLU/Zenworks deal a
bit
>
> more today.
>
> Quoting Ron Oglesby <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > Craig, Long time no see, or hear.....
> > Anyway, the Netware piece works but is not in use as much as the windows
> > stuff obviously. So when something breaks or doesn't work it is hard to
> > find help (or even good support) on it.
> >
> > If you don't know novell doing this is problematic. I have a real good
> > novel guy on my team so it doesn't scrare me. But if I didn't I would
> > recommend Windows every time.
> >
> > I guess the question is that if you HAVE to implement this and no one
> > else you still have to do what is best for the customer. If they don't
> > want windows use netware just be prepared to LEARN a lot.
> >
> > BTW the roaming profile is assigned as a User attribute just like NT/2K
> > and DLU handles creating the local user and setting up profiles etc....
> >
> > PS> Novell has decided netware is dead. No more development for that
> > network OS. Instead all of their development if for Linux. Why stay with
> > a dead product.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Oglesby
> > Senior Technical Architect
> >
> > RapidApp
> > Office 312.372.7188
> > Mobile 815.325.7618
> > email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig M. Luchtefeld [mailto:craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
<mailto:craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx%5d>
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:56 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Novell Integration
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts about which Novell integration route is
> > better
> > -- the ZENWorks/Dynamic Local User route or the simultaneous Windows
> > 2000
> > domain route with dual accounts?
> >
> > I've got a school I'm working with, approximately 1500 students with the
> > environment holding anywhere from 150-200 concurrent sessions. We're
> > still
> > in the 'testing' phase, so we can still go either route for deployment.
> > My
> > problem with the Windows 2000/Novell route is that they're going to have
> > to
> > create two accounts for every student, we're going to have to sync/reset
> > all
> > their passwords, and they're going to have one more point of failure (if
> > the
> > DC goes down).
> >
> > Honestly, I need to read up a bit more on how the ZENWorks deal works,
> > but
> > if its creating a dynamic local user, my thought is how are roaming
> > profiles
> > going to work?
> >
> > Anyway, has anyone had the opportunity to take a look at both of these
> > pieces and examine the advantages/disadvantages to both? From the
> > Advanced
> > Guide for FR3, I saw the integration steps for them both, but if I
> > remember
> > correctly, it didn't state advantages/disadvantages to either.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Craig
> >
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