[THIN] Re: Novell Integration

  • From: "Stansel, Paul" <Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:38:54 -0400

None yet :).  We're trying to decide if I want to more intimately tie our
Novell and WTS worlds together.  I am tired of all of the repeat effort I
have to do for our applications.

-Paul

> ----------
> From:         Mobeen Azhar[SMTP:moby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Reply To:     thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent:         Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:36 PM
> To:   thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject:      [THIN] Re: Novell Integration
> 
> Production is ZfD 3.2 with sp1.  We have a pilot for Zfd 4.
> 
> ZfD has many components to it (DLU, App. mgmt., inventory, etc).  Which 
> component are you having problems with?
> 
> --Moby
> 
> Stansel, Paul wrote:
> 
> > Which version of Zen are you running?
> > 
> > -Paul
> > 
> > 
> >>----------
> >>From:       Mobeen Azhar[SMTP:moby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>Reply To:   thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Sent:       Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:06 PM
> >>To:         thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject:    [THIN] Re: Novell Integration
> >>
> >>We are using Novell eDirectory, ZfD (ZenWorks for Desktops) in a very
> >>large 
> >>terminal server + Citrix MetaFrame environement without any major
> issues.
> >>The 
> >>product works great, and Novell's ZenWorks has been a big help in
> getting 
> >>applications, especially ones that have a large and complex user piece,
> >>easily 
> >>and quickly distributed to Windows NT and 2000 terminal servers.  The
> >>terminal 
> >>servers are divided between some that are in NT domains and some that in
> >>AD.  No 
> >>issues with either side as far as any software from Novell is concerned.
> >>
> >>So far we have not implemented any type of password synchronization
> >>between 
> >>Novell's eDirectory and Microsoft's AD, although my tests in a lab
> setting
> >>have 
> >>been successfull in delivering what Novell "says on paper".  We do
> >>synchronize 
> >>credentials between Novell's eDirectory and NT domains using Novell's
> >>Account 
> >>Management product.
> >>
> >>The nice thing we have found with ZfD is that the application effort
> >>expended 
> >>for our desktops (10,000+) does not have to be repeated for integrating
> >>the same 
> >>applications on our Citrix/Terminal servers.  We can use the same ZfD 
> >>application object on both desktops and terminal servers with very minor
> 
> >>modifications.
> >>
> >>--Moby
> >>
> >>PS:  Regarding the comment "Novell has decided NetWare is dead" by Ron
> >>Oglesby, 
> >>  I am not sure if Ron works for Novell to know that.  Either way, I am
> >>sure you 
> >>are not developing applications on NetWare.  Services traditionally
> >>associated 
> >>with NetWare have been available on non-NetWare platforms for quite some
> >>time. 
> >>One really uses products such eDirectory, ZenWorks, etc.  One really
> does
> >>not do 
> >>much with NetWare itself.  While people might argue whether NetWare
> >>development 
> >>is going to continue or not (the vendor, Novell, says it will continue),
> >>these 
> >>other applications have been ported to non-NetWare operating systems.
> One
> >>of 
> >>the coolest things I like about ZfD is that it can be run in a totally 
> >>non-NetWare environemnt - pure 100% Windows.
> >>
> >>
> >>Matt Kosht wrote:
> >>
> >>>I pulled the trigger on Zen/Novell route myself this past weekend.  
> >>>Still chasing down problems (printing mostly). Zen on paper looks 
> >>>great in practice very buggy/problematic. Also had some apps that had
> to
> >>
> >>>map drive letters to Windows servers that's fun w/o any Windows
> >>
> >>credentials.
> >>
> >>> 
> >>>  Microsoft has a product called Metadirectory service that can 
> >>>supposedly sync the two directories AD and eDirectory.
> >>>I am thinking that might be the best option to solve this dilemma.
> >>> 
> >>>I am just wishing I could have pulled the plug on Novell altogether and
> 
> >>>went pure AD but as John Belushi would say "Buuuttt Nooooo!".
> >>>
> >>> >>> craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx 9/9/2003 12:25:01 AM >>>
> >>>BTW, I decided to go the AD/Novell route without the Zenworks piece.  
> >>>It's going
> >>>to be a terrible pain, though, over the next few days as everyone has
> to
> >>
> >>>sync
> >>>their Novell password with their new Windows password.  That's only
> 1500
> >>>students I get to deal with in a two day span.
> >>>
> >>>What's even better about this setup is almost every app either has some
> 
> >>>video,
> >>>audio or COM port mapping that goes along with it.  Woooot!
> >>>
> >>>Quoting craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx:
> >>>
> >>> > How did I know that you were going to respond?
> >>> >
> >>> > I might take a look at both solutions, then, this weekend.  I need
> to
> >>
> >>>get
> >>> > moving on this and I'm afraid that the Windows route is going to be
> a
> >>
> >>>bit too
> >>> >
> >>> > burdensome.  At this point in time, the school has no plans to move
> >>
> >>from
> >>
> >>> > NetWare any time soon.  Actually, their servers have been rock solid
> 
> >>>and have
> >>> >
> >>> > had no problems since their inception (knock on wood).
> >>> >
> >>> > I know NetWare enough to do whatever I need in NWAdmin.  Outside of 
> >>>that,
> >>> > though, I have to rely on others.  We do have two guys though, that
> >>
> >>know
> >>
> >>> > Novell
> >>> > stuff inside and out.  So, I'm not too worried about the support.
> >>> >
> >>> > My biggest concern is not that one of these routes wont work - I
> know
> >>
> >>>that
> >>> > they
> >>> > will.  My concern is about simplicity.  Their "administrator" doesnt
> >>
> >>know
> >>
> >>> > much
> >>> > in the way of network administration and thankfully she knows as 
> >>>much.  What
> >>> > I
> >>> > want is to be able to leave this project and know that Im not going 
> >>>to get a
> >>> >
> >>> > call every 4 hours on how to do such and such.  By adding in the
> >>
> >>Windows
> >>
> >>> > component, I know that things will get a bit more complex than they
> >>
> >>would
> >>
> >>> > have
> >>> > with the ZENWorks route.
> >>> >
> >>> > Anyway, thanks for the input.  Ill take a look at the DLU/Zenworks 
> >>>deal a bit
> >>> >
> >>> > more today.
> >>> >
> >>> > Quoting Ron Oglesby <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >>> >
> >>> > > Craig, Long time no see, or hear.....
> >>> > > Anyway, the Netware piece works but is not in use as much as the 
> >>>windows
> >>> > > stuff obviously. So when something breaks or doesn't work it is
> >>
> >>hard to
> >>
> >>> > > find help (or even good support) on it.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If you don't know novell doing this is problematic. I have a real
> >>
> >>good
> >>
> >>> > > novel guy on my team so it doesn't scrare me. But if I didn't I
> >>
> >>would
> >>
> >>> > > recommend Windows every time.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I guess the question is that if you HAVE to implement this and no
> >>
> >>one
> >>
> >>> > > else you still have to do what is best for the customer. If they
> >>
> >>don't
> >>
> >>> > > want windows use netware just be prepared to LEARN a lot.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > BTW the roaming profile is assigned as a User attribute just like
> >>
> >>NT/2K
> >>
> >>> > > and DLU handles creating the local user and setting up profiles
> >>
> >>etc....
> >>
> >>> > >
> >>> > > PS> Novell has decided netware is dead. No more development for
> >>
> >>that
> >>
> >>> > > network OS. Instead all of their development if for Linux. Why
> stay
> >>
> >>>with
> >>> > > a dead product.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Ron Oglesby
> >>> > > Senior Technical Architect
> >>> > > 
> >>> > > RapidApp
> >>> > > Office 312.372.7188
> >>> > > Mobile 815.325.7618
> >>> > > email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > > 
> >>> > >
> >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > From: Craig M. Luchtefeld [mailto:craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>> > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:56 AM
> >>> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > > Subject: [THIN] Novell Integration
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Does anyone have any thoughts about which Novell integration route
> >>
> >>is
> >>
> >>> > > better
> >>> > > -- the ZENWorks/Dynamic Local User route or the simultaneous
> >>
> >>Windows
> >>
> >>> > > 2000
> >>> > > domain route with dual accounts?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I've got a school I'm working with, approximately 1500 students 
> >>>with the
> >>> > > environment holding anywhere from 150-200 concurrent sessions.
> >>
> >>We're
> >>
> >>> > > still
> >>> > > in the 'testing' phase, so we can still go either route for
> >>
> >>deployment.
> >>
> >>> > > My
> >>> > > problem with the Windows 2000/Novell route is that they're going
> to
> >>
> >>>have
> >>> > > to
> >>> > > create two accounts for every student, we're going to have to 
> >>>sync/reset
> >>> > > all
> >>> > > their passwords, and they're going to have one more point of 
> >>>failure (if
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > DC goes down).
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Honestly, I need to read up a bit more on how the ZENWorks deal
> >>
> >>works,
> >>
> >>> > > but
> >>> > > if its creating a dynamic local user, my thought is how are
> roaming
> >>> > > profiles
> >>> > > going to work?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Anyway, has anyone had the opportunity to take a look at both of
> >>
> >>these
> >>
> >>> > > pieces and examine the advantages/disadvantages to both?  From the
> >>> > > Advanced
> >>> > > Guide for FR3, I saw the integration steps for them both, but if I
> >>> > > remember
> >>> > > correctly, it didn't state advantages/disadvantages to either.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thanks in advance,
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Craig
> >>> > >
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> >>--Moby
> >>
> >>They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> >>safety 
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> >>
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> >>was not 
> >>a trade unionist.
> >>Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.  --
> >>Pastor 
> >>Martin Niemöller
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> -- 
> --Moby
> 
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety 
> deserve neither liberty nor safety.  -- Benjamin Franklin
> 
> First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a
> Jew.
> Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was
> not a 
> Communist.
> Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I
> was not 
> a trade unionist.
> Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.  --
> Pastor 
> Martin Niemöller
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