None yet :). We're trying to decide if I want to more intimately tie our Novell and WTS worlds together. I am tired of all of the repeat effort I have to do for our applications. -Paul > ---------- > From: Mobeen Azhar[SMTP:moby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:36 PM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Novell Integration > > Production is ZfD 3.2 with sp1. We have a pilot for Zfd 4. > > ZfD has many components to it (DLU, App. mgmt., inventory, etc). Which > component are you having problems with? > > --Moby > > Stansel, Paul wrote: > > > Which version of Zen are you running? > > > > -Paul > > > > > >>---------- > >>From: Mobeen Azhar[SMTP:moby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >>Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:06 PM > >>To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>Subject: [THIN] Re: Novell Integration > >> > >>We are using Novell eDirectory, ZfD (ZenWorks for Desktops) in a very > >>large > >>terminal server + Citrix MetaFrame environement without any major > issues. > >>The > >>product works great, and Novell's ZenWorks has been a big help in > getting > >>applications, especially ones that have a large and complex user piece, > >>easily > >>and quickly distributed to Windows NT and 2000 terminal servers. The > >>terminal > >>servers are divided between some that are in NT domains and some that in > >>AD. No > >>issues with either side as far as any software from Novell is concerned. > >> > >>So far we have not implemented any type of password synchronization > >>between > >>Novell's eDirectory and Microsoft's AD, although my tests in a lab > setting > >>have > >>been successfull in delivering what Novell "says on paper". We do > >>synchronize > >>credentials between Novell's eDirectory and NT domains using Novell's > >>Account > >>Management product. > >> > >>The nice thing we have found with ZfD is that the application effort > >>expended > >>for our desktops (10,000+) does not have to be repeated for integrating > >>the same > >>applications on our Citrix/Terminal servers. We can use the same ZfD > >>application object on both desktops and terminal servers with very minor > > >>modifications. > >> > >>--Moby > >> > >>PS: Regarding the comment "Novell has decided NetWare is dead" by Ron > >>Oglesby, > >> I am not sure if Ron works for Novell to know that. Either way, I am > >>sure you > >>are not developing applications on NetWare. Services traditionally > >>associated > >>with NetWare have been available on non-NetWare platforms for quite some > >>time. > >>One really uses products such eDirectory, ZenWorks, etc. One really > does > >>not do > >>much with NetWare itself. While people might argue whether NetWare > >>development > >>is going to continue or not (the vendor, Novell, says it will continue), > >>these > >>other applications have been ported to non-NetWare operating systems. > One > >>of > >>the coolest things I like about ZfD is that it can be run in a totally > >>non-NetWare environemnt - pure 100% Windows. > >> > >> > >>Matt Kosht wrote: > >> > >>>I pulled the trigger on Zen/Novell route myself this past weekend. > >>>Still chasing down problems (printing mostly). Zen on paper looks > >>>great in practice very buggy/problematic. Also had some apps that had > to > >> > >>>map drive letters to Windows servers that's fun w/o any Windows > >> > >>credentials. > >> > >>> > >>> Microsoft has a product called Metadirectory service that can > >>>supposedly sync the two directories AD and eDirectory. > >>>I am thinking that might be the best option to solve this dilemma. > >>> > >>>I am just wishing I could have pulled the plug on Novell altogether and > > >>>went pure AD but as John Belushi would say "Buuuttt Nooooo!". > >>> > >>> >>> craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx 9/9/2003 12:25:01 AM >>> > >>>BTW, I decided to go the AD/Novell route without the Zenworks piece. > >>>It's going > >>>to be a terrible pain, though, over the next few days as everyone has > to > >> > >>>sync > >>>their Novell password with their new Windows password. That's only > 1500 > >>>students I get to deal with in a two day span. > >>> > >>>What's even better about this setup is almost every app either has some > > >>>video, > >>>audio or COM port mapping that goes along with it. Woooot! > >>> > >>>Quoting craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx: > >>> > >>> > How did I know that you were going to respond? > >>> > > >>> > I might take a look at both solutions, then, this weekend. I need > to > >> > >>>get > >>> > moving on this and I'm afraid that the Windows route is going to be > a > >> > >>>bit too > >>> > > >>> > burdensome. At this point in time, the school has no plans to move > >> > >>from > >> > >>> > NetWare any time soon. Actually, their servers have been rock solid > > >>>and have > >>> > > >>> > had no problems since their inception (knock on wood). > >>> > > >>> > I know NetWare enough to do whatever I need in NWAdmin. Outside of > >>>that, > >>> > though, I have to rely on others. We do have two guys though, that > >> > >>know > >> > >>> > Novell > >>> > stuff inside and out. So, I'm not too worried about the support. > >>> > > >>> > My biggest concern is not that one of these routes wont work - I > know > >> > >>>that > >>> > they > >>> > will. My concern is about simplicity. Their "administrator" doesnt > >> > >>know > >> > >>> > much > >>> > in the way of network administration and thankfully she knows as > >>>much. What > >>> > I > >>> > want is to be able to leave this project and know that Im not going > >>>to get a > >>> > > >>> > call every 4 hours on how to do such and such. By adding in the > >> > >>Windows > >> > >>> > component, I know that things will get a bit more complex than they > >> > >>would > >> > >>> > have > >>> > with the ZENWorks route. > >>> > > >>> > Anyway, thanks for the input. Ill take a look at the DLU/Zenworks > >>>deal a bit > >>> > > >>> > more today. > >>> > > >>> > Quoting Ron Oglesby <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>: > >>> > > >>> > > Craig, Long time no see, or hear..... > >>> > > Anyway, the Netware piece works but is not in use as much as the > >>>windows > >>> > > stuff obviously. So when something breaks or doesn't work it is > >> > >>hard to > >> > >>> > > find help (or even good support) on it. > >>> > > > >>> > > If you don't know novell doing this is problematic. I have a real > >> > >>good > >> > >>> > > novel guy on my team so it doesn't scrare me. But if I didn't I > >> > >>would > >> > >>> > > recommend Windows every time. > >>> > > > >>> > > I guess the question is that if you HAVE to implement this and no > >> > >>one > >> > >>> > > else you still have to do what is best for the customer. If they > >> > >>don't > >> > >>> > > want windows use netware just be prepared to LEARN a lot. > >>> > > > >>> > > BTW the roaming profile is assigned as a User attribute just like > >> > >>NT/2K > >> > >>> > > and DLU handles creating the local user and setting up profiles > >> > >>etc.... > >> > >>> > > > >>> > > PS> Novell has decided netware is dead. No more development for > >> > >>that > >> > >>> > > network OS. Instead all of their development if for Linux. Why > stay > >> > >>>with > >>> > > a dead product. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Ron Oglesby > >>> > > Senior Technical Architect > >>> > > > >>> > > RapidApp > >>> > > Office 312.372.7188 > >>> > > Mobile 815.325.7618 > >>> > > email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- > >>> > > From: Craig M. Luchtefeld [mailto:craig@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > >>> > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:56 AM > >>> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> > > Subject: [THIN] Novell Integration > >>> > > > >>> > > Does anyone have any thoughts about which Novell integration route > >> > >>is > >> > >>> > > better > >>> > > -- the ZENWorks/Dynamic Local User route or the simultaneous > >> > >>Windows > >> > >>> > > 2000 > >>> > > domain route with dual accounts? > >>> > > > >>> > > I've got a school I'm working with, approximately 1500 students > >>>with the > >>> > > environment holding anywhere from 150-200 concurrent sessions. > >> > >>We're > >> > >>> > > still > >>> > > in the 'testing' phase, so we can still go either route for > >> > >>deployment. > >> > >>> > > My > >>> > > problem with the Windows 2000/Novell route is that they're going > to > >> > >>>have > >>> > > to > >>> > > create two accounts for every student, we're going to have to > >>>sync/reset > >>> > > all > >>> > > their passwords, and they're going to have one more point of > >>>failure (if > >>> > > the > >>> > > DC goes down). > >>> > > > >>> > > Honestly, I need to read up a bit more on how the ZENWorks deal > >> > >>works, > >> > >>> > > but > >>> > > if its creating a dynamic local user, my thought is how are > roaming > >>> > > profiles > >>> > > going to work? > >>> > > > >>> > > Anyway, has anyone had the opportunity to take a look at both of > >> > >>these > >> > >>> > > pieces and examine the advantages/disadvantages to both? From the > >>> > > Advanced > >>> > > Guide for FR3, I saw the integration steps for them both, but if I > >>> > > remember > >>> > > correctly, it didn't state advantages/disadvantages to either. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks in advance, > >>> > > > >>> > > Craig > >>> > > > >>> > > ******************************************************** > >>> > > This Week's Sponsor: ThinPrint > >>> > > http://www.thinprint.com > >>> > > ********************************************************** > >>> > > Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: > >>> > > http://thethin.net/links.cfm > >>> > > > >>> > > For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > >>> > > set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: > >>> > > http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > >>> > > ******************************************************** > >>> > > This Week's Sponsor: ThinPrint > >>> > > http://www.thinprint.com > >>> > > ********************************************************** > >>> > > Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: > >>> > > http://thethin.net/links.cfm > >>> > > > >>> > > For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > >>> > > set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: > >>> > > http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ------------------------------------------------- > >>> > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------- > >>>This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > >>>******************************************************** > >>>This Week's Sponsor: ThinPrint > >>>http://www.thinprint.com > >>>********************************************************** > >>>Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: > >>>http://thethin.net/links.cfm > >>> > >>>For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > >>>set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: > >>>http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > >> > >>-- > >>--Moby > >> > >>They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > >>safety > >>deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin > >> > >>First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a > >>Jew. > >>Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was > >>not a > >>Communist. > >>Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I > >>was not > >>a trade unionist. > >>Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. -- > >>Pastor > >>Martin Niemöller > >> > >>******************************************************** > >>This Week's Sponsor: ThinPrint > >>http://www.thinprint.com > >>********************************************************** > >>Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: > >>http://thethin.net/links.cfm > >> > >>For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > >>set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: > >>http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > >> > > > > ******************************************************** > > This Week's Sponsor: ThinPrint > > http://www.thinprint.com > > ********************************************************** > > Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: > > http://thethin.net/links.cfm > > > > For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > > set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: > > http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > > > > > > -- > --Moby > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin > > First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a > Jew. > Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was > not a > Communist. > Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I > was not > a trade unionist. > Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. -- > Pastor > Martin Niemöller > > ******************************************************** > This Week's Sponsor: ThinPrint > http://www.thinprint.com > ********************************************************** > Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: > http://thethin.net/links.cfm > > For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: > http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > ******************************************************** This Week's Sponsor: ThinPrint http://www.thinprint.com ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm