I didn't say it REQUIRES a san, I just said to reap the benefits...I would call the vmotion capabilities almost a must have. There will always be a time when hardware has to be taken down and the ability to move vm's in real time if you have multiple machines running on it is a must have in my book. : ) JK Uh, not really. The ?benefits? That really need a SAN are the VMotion capabilities. Not to say that I don?t use a SAN in a number of ESX implementations BUT we have done it without it to, ESX rocks GSX and VS 2005 in performance. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect Microsoft MVP, Windows Server RapidApp, Chicago Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kenzig kenzig.com [mailto:jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 10:55 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: New Virtual Server Discussion List: Virtualize There was a good article at infoworld last month with the basics. http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/05/45FEvirtual_1.html You need a San for the most part if you want to reap the benefits of ESX. Here is a good one by Paul Thurrot also http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/43990/43990.html And while this is an older article it is pretty good also. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,10403,00.asp One cool thing about ESX that MS does not have is there is a piece you can get that you can move live VM's over to another Server running it in real time if you need to take the physical hardware down and never miss a beat. Once I get the new website together... virtualize-it.com I will have all these links in place and find all I can. It is interesting to note a search on google of VMware versus Virtual Server brings up posts from this list. I think we are probably some of the key people on the web discussing it. Jim Dirk wrote: I'm aware that the ESX to VS2005 comparison is not really valid but since we are recommending ESX we are being asked to provide a written response as to why VS2005 is not the recommendation. I was just hoping to have something to start with. Dirk Blose, MCSE, CCA Lead Technical Analyst (919) 765-4791 dirk.blose@xxxxxxxxxx >>> lynch00@xxxxxxx 12/15/04 10:51 AM >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 There are some documents out there comparing GSX to VS2005, and Workstation to VPC2005. You cannot compare ESX to any MS product, as of right now. You can contact your local VMware Partner, and they can get you that documentation. Chris > > Speaking of VM stuff, anyone know of a good comparison of > Esx, GSX, and Virtual Server 2005? Our engineering team is > 100% behind ESX > but certain managers want to see some kind of > comparison and aving somethign to start with is easier than > writing it all myself. > > Thanks. > > Dirk Blose, MCSE, CCA > Lead Technical Analyst > (919) 765-4791 > > > 8:08 AM >>> > Hi Folks, > I have set up a new discussion list for Virtual Server Products. > > This list is to discuss Virtual Server and workstation > products like VMWare and Microsoft Virtual PC and Virtual > Server 2005. > > Join on up and lets get started at: > > //www.freelists.org/list/virtualize > > I am also working on a new website called Virtualize-it.com > that will be up in the next few days to host information and > archives for the list. > > Regards, > Jim Kenzig > http://thin.net > http://www.thinwiki.com > ; >