Rob -<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The SSL based VPN's have too many dependencies on browser configurations and java, making them a support nightmare. Some of the help desk calls we would get required us to have users uninstall their personal firewall software, pop-up blockers, install microsoft jvm, clear temp internet files, change IE security settings, no local admin rights, etc, etc. We went with Neoteris at first because of the fact that they claim to need no client software and can be setup within an hour. Don't buy into it. There is client software if you want to use it with nfuse or citrix program neighborhood, it's a java program that proxies the traffic. Netilla will be easier to set up, but if your looking for a solution with the least amount of client setup and support, go with CSG for sure. I couldn't say enough bad things about Neoteris (which is now owned by Juniper networks) Also CSG with Web interface is free. Hope this helps Chris -----Original Message----- From: Armstrong, Robert [mailto:robert.armstrong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:33 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Netilla Appliance for Citrix Access - Opinions Nee ded Steve, Thank you for the feedback. What, in your opinion makes CSG a better option? It seems that the complexity of the setup and the licensing costs of Secure Access Manager make CSG a hard sell compared to the seemingly simplistic setup and management of the Netilla solution. I'm just confused about what will be the best solution now and in the future (with future releases of Presentation Server). One thing I really need is a solution that will require the least amount of client setup and support. Regards, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Steve Greenberg [mailto:steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:00 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Netilla Appliance for Citrix Access - Opinions Needed Netilla is a great standalone platform if you are using Terminal Server, internal Web apps or needs an SSL VPN. However, if you already have Citrix, Citrix Secure Gateway is a better match. Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Armstrong, Robert Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:22 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Netilla Appliance for Citrix Access - Opinions Needed Greetings, I'm writing to see if anyone has experience with the Netilla SSL VPN appliance in accessing Citrix publications from the internet. Please let me know what your opinions are on this product. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Robert Armstrong Manager of Information Technology Invesmart, Inc. 4550 Lena Drive, Suite 201 Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 p: (717) 591-8900 x132 f: (717) 591-9822 e-mail: <mailto:robert.armstrong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> robert.armstrong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx _____ This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient or authorized to receive this for the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. _____ _____ This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient or authorized to receive this for the intended recipient, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by sending a reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. _____ CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION - PLEASE READ PRIVACY NOTICE This communication is confidential and may be read only by its intended recipient(s). It may contain legally privileged and protected information. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please "Reply" to the Sender and so indicate or call (603) 663-2800. Then, please promptly "Delete" this communication from your computer. This communication, and any information contained herein, may only be forwarded, printed, disclosed, copied or disseminated by those specifically authorized to do so. UNAUTHORIZED DISCLOSURE MAY RESULT IN LEGAL LIABILITY FOR THOSE PERSONS RESPONSIBLE.