folks, apologies, feeling rather dim this morning. cannot get into the files are to download the following. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thin/files/Metaframe%20and%20Tarantella%20 Comparison.pdf could some one email it to me? many thanks, andyL _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Reptons internal virus protection and the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service.