[THIN] Re: Microsoft buys SSL VPN Company.....
- From: "Eilers, Lee \(CDC/OCOO/ITSO\) \(CTR\)" <lee4@xxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:10:24 -0400
RFLOL!!!
"scratch my a$$ too, well, I don't need that feature. I.e. Video..."
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Douglas A. Brown
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:50 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft buys SSL VPN Company.....
Cláudio, I like you, we think a like. I like it... I 100% agree... Linux is
all the hype but you said it best... what CTO is going to do such a think...
When I worked for Citrix I heard over and over that the CTO or IT Director
wants to go with Microsoft because of support and the size of them. Nobody
ever got fired for buying IBM and same goes for Microsoft. That plays for
Citrix too but NOT when it is Citrix vs. Microsoft. The bigger boy wins when
the technologies are about the same...
BUT, like Steve said, and I agree... in some bigger cases you will need Citrix.
For sure... Citrix is Enterprise and SoftGrid or the mighty Whale does not
change that. It will take years for Microsoft to catch up... Oh, the BS that
Citrix will always be years ahead, this is true but at what point does years
ahead matter. I mean, at some point TS is good enough, and if Citrix is
adding the ability for PS to scratch my a$$ too, well, I don't need that
feature. I.e. Video... :-)
Anyhoo.. well put... well put..
DB
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
DABCC, Inc.
Phone: (954) 778-9558
Fax: (248) 479-0621
E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
Web: http://www.dabcc.com <http://www.dabcc.com/>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Cláudio Rodrigues
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:18 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft buys SSL VPN Company.....
It is for sure a very polished and compelling solution. BUT Citrix has a
history of screwing up their own sales channel and more than that, a huge
price tag because in a way customers are either tied to their subscription
advantage thing or because they think Citrix has no competitors (what Citrix
actually thinks as well).
Microsoft+E-Gap+Softgrid will simply give Citrix a run for their money, big
time. Many large places that do not even look at solutions like Provision
Networks, Ericom and ProPalms because they think they are no one, small shops,
etc with no real customer based will now look at Microsoft and see they can
deliver a lot Citrix is doing AND at a much lower cost.
Not to mention that all that BS that usually happens like 'Oh, Presentation
Server is not the issue; this is a Terminal Services problem - says Citrix; Oh,
this is not a TS issue this is a Citrix issue - says Microsoft' simply
disappears if you stick with Microsoft as your only vendor to deliver all the
stuff Citrix now has.
And Linux? Nope. Until real corporate apps used by end-users do not come up
(can you mention two or three major corporate apps that have Linux clients
available and if they are office reaplacements, that are 100% compatible with
Microsoft Office?) on Linux, Linux on the TS.Citrix world is irrelevant.
And the fact Windows apps can run on Linux do not change the licensing
requirements. For example, most people do not know that if you run IE on Linux
using something like CrossOver from Codeweaver or even WINE, you MUST have a
Windows OS license. This simply kills the idea of such solution at the
corporate level. Why run a Windows app on Linux if you need the Windows OSS
license AND the app does NOT work as well as on windows? Not to mention this
app will then be automatically in an unsupported mode. You can MS and tell them
your greatplains client is now on WINE and you are having issues and they will
hang up on you right there. Which CTO would approve such thing? No one I know
on any of the Fortune 100-500s. They need to cover their a**. And that is where
the Microsoft toilet paper comes to the picture.
I do think Citrix will go down the drain at one point. The same way I said that
many years ago about Novell and people tried to send me to the Arkham Asylum at
the time. :-)
Cláudio Rodrigues
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Terminal Services
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steve Greenberg
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:53 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft buys SSL VPN Company.....
I see your point of view, but at the same time the full Citrix offering is a
very compelling set of functionality and features from a single vendor. I am
just finishing an implementation of a dual data center solution with Netscaler,
CAG, AAC, WI and PS - all fully redundant and fault tolerant. This is a very
compelling platform that the other products simply cannot do. Granted these
products are not cleanly and fully integrated, but within a version or two they
will be and there will simply be nothing like it out there- especially from a
single vendor.
So instead of saying Citrix watch out, I think a whole range of other vendors
need to watch out for Citrix- including MS. Remember, if MS ever goes sour on
Citrix, Citrix can always play the LINUX card and drop the licensing costs by
an order of magnitude to the end user!! With a minimum of software development
Windows apps can be running on LINUX in various emulation and virtualization
modes.
As far as MS buying Softricity, that is a sensible scenario but Softricity has
a lot of issues with the way the do business, they are more likely to self
implode then develop beneficial partnerships....
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Douglas A. Brown
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:58 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft buys SSL VPN Company.....
Man, I've been saying this for awhile now and I'm working on an article that
details why I believe it but SoftGrid is going to be owned by Microsoft by the
end of 2006. I feel it in my bones. Microsoft needs them. They need a
solution that can take SMS over the top; they need a solution that will get
them into the virtualization market in a big way. Microsoft can do two things
with it.
1) Add it to SMS. They will then kill Altiris and Tarpon
2) Add it to Longhorn and Vista. They could give it away as a feature to
Longhorn and Vista and as a value prop to upgrade... Now, I would upgrade for
truly virtualized apps.
If they did this then I could use TS 2007 with SoftGrid/SMS to manage my entire
app base, everywhere! If I'm remote I use TS, if I'm local I use my
workstation and then all apps are deployment and monitored through SMS / MOM.
That brings us to MOM/SMS integration, which is planned... Not to mention
with this I have one support contract, from Microsoft.
So, that being said, mark my words... Microsoft SoftGrid coming soon.
So, what about Citrix? Microsoft SSL VPN vs. CAG, Tarpon vs. Microsoft,
MetaFrame vs. Microsoft... That is not good or Citrix, no matter what. I think
the Citrix channel is huge and for the most part I think that the Citrix
channel is blind to anything but Citrix but even with them I think Citrix will
have a hard time... They will become Oracle, a big boy that is bought because
you need to buy it... Do you buy Oracle because you want to? No, you buy it
because you have no choice...
Oh, let's not forget the Citrix ecosystem... With the Reflectent purchase
Citrix just made enemies of about 5 different companies, with the UPD III they
made enemies of about 3 to 4 companies and the others are scared that Citrix
will buy something and then that hurts them where they live. So, these ISV
partners are ready to move to someone else too.... So, 2007 will be
interesting... it will....
That is my humble opinion.... I'm curious about yours....
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
DABCC, Inc.
Phone: (954) 778-9558
Fax: (248) 479-0621
E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
Web: http://www.dabcc.com <http://www.dabcc.com/>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Cláudio Rodrigues
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:14 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Microsoft buys SSL VPN Company.....
For anyone that has deployed their e-gap solution, they are by far the
Rolls-Royce of this type of solution/appliance on the market. CAG is good but
not as polished as e-gap.
The next logical step is Microsoft acquiring Softgrid. That would be very
interesting. Microsoft/Whale/Softgrid versus Citrix/CAG/Tarpon... :-)
Cláudio Rodrigues
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Terminal Services
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Douglas A. Brown
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:26 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Microsoft buys SSL VPN Company.....
A bit off subject but not really....
Did you guys see that Microsoft just acquired a SSL VPN company??? Weird,
hardware... but it is a Windows based VPN... unlike the CAG that is Linux.
To learn more check this out:
http://www.dabcc.com/dabcc/webapplication/aspx/dabcc.content.aspx?intPKText=1921&intPKChannel=13
What do you think?? I think this is going to be very interesting for Citrix
as they are going to compete with Microsoft in the SSL VPN (CAG) and the app
deploy (Tarpon) markets...
DB
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
DABCC, Inc.
Phone: (954) 778-9558
Fax: (248) 479-0621
E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
Web: http://www.dabcc.com <http://www.dabcc.com/>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steve Greenberg
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:22 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: New Access Gateway / AAC bits
I don't recall the license port, but it is the standard one and is in the
documentation. When you enable AAC mode the CAG's no longer require an explicit
license entry, the AAC takes that over as well as most other functions. You can
secure the communication between CAG and AAC with SSL port 443 or just 80 and
9005 for management.....
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
l.bagdasarian@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 10:24 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Steve Greenberg
Subject: [THIN] Re: New Access Gateway / AAC bits
Thanks Steve.. I didn't know that the Presentation Server license Server can be
used to license CAGs.
What ports is it communicating to the CAGs: is it citrix port? Can it be
changed to 443?
If we think to add AAC later, can we continue using a Presentation License
Server or we need to move it to the AAC license Server?
Thanks again
Larisa
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
With CAG 4.2 you can actually use the same Citrix license server you
use for Presentation Server if you want to. In this case, it is the standard
netbios name of the server, i.e. just the machine name (you can type hostname
at the command line to see this)
Alternately, you can upload the license file into the CAG box itself.
In that case you use the value entered is in the filed called "FQDN" on the
network setup screen. When doing this the licenses, and the cert by the way,
are included in the backup file so be sure to save off the config, this could
save you a lot of work if you ever have a hardware failure or have to rebuild
the boxes.
If you already have a Citrix licensing server I recommend using it when
you have more than one CAG.
Also note that the when you fulfill your license file from
www.mycitrix.com <http://www.mycitrix.com/> you do have to provide the license
server hostname. However, these licenses can be returned and reallocated to a
different hostname if needed.
Regards,
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: l.bagdasarian@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:l.bagdasarian@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:23 PM
To: steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: FW: [THIN] Re: New Access Gateway / AAC bits
Steve,
Can you answer this quick question, for me please.
We just received 2 new CAGs and I need to set them up as
quickly as possible.
I am fairily new to Citrix and didn't work with the CAGs yet. (
I've impelmented the software version of CSG in our env.))
The documenation on CAG is pretty detailed. The question I
have is about the licensing.
As I understand, once you download it with the wrong host name
-its unpossible to change it. ???
I am in the process of downloading the CAG licenses and need to
enter the host name.
What do I use? Is it the URL (common name) that is assigned to
our external DNS? like hostname.insurity.com?
I don't see any other host names that is being assigned to the
CAGs.
Thanks in advance.
-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: "M" <mathras@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: New Access Gateway / AAC bits
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:39:10 +0000
Mind expanding upon the enterprise deployment
components ?
Are you doubling things up for failover ? Seperate AAC
components ?
Using Netscaler ?
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Greenberg
<mailto:steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: [THIN] Re: New Access Gateway / AAC
bits
Great timing, right in the middle of an
Enterprise deployment and seeing some of these issues!
thanks
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net/>
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of M
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 1:15 AM
To: Thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] New Access Gateway / AAC bits
4.2.2 released
http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX108902
New AAC Update
http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX109402
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