[THIN] Re: MSTerminalServices.org - To Virtualized or Not To Virtualized with SBC
- From: "Carl Stalhood" <cstalhood@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:31:16 -0500
VMware = Virtual Hardware (virtual NIC, virtual SCSI, virtual memory, etc.)
Softricity = Virtual Registry, Virtual File System, and Virtual Kernel
Objects + Real Time Streaming Protocol
Citrix App Streaming = see Softricity
Citrix PS (ICA) = Remote Control Software (similar to PCAnywhere, VNC, etc.)
Terminal Server = Virtual OS Sessions
SAN = Virtual Storage
Ardence = Boot from PXE or OS Streaming
Virtualization involves some form of partitioning.
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Douglas A. Brown
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:19 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: MSTerminalServices.org - To Virtualized or Not To
Virtualized with SBC
Yah, I'm starting to call Presentation Server "Presentation Virtualization"
which is basically the same as session... I agree.. For sure...
and from what I've seen the Ardence stuff is WAY COOL and I agree with
you... It is file virtualization but of course that is not as big of a
market as OS so they want to be seen there.. Which is weird as if they place
themselves in the file vitalization market then they can be a leader... that
is better than competing with VMware.... right?
and... Yes... you know what I think, SoftGrid IS application virtualization.
They virtualize/isolate an application inside a virtual file system the same
was VMware does with virtual OSs. Right? Citrix, Alteris does not. They
redirect and isolate in side a traditional file system. It is just
different... Do you no agree??
I'm not saying (or at least not above) that one is better than the other.
I'm just saying it is true the one is virtualization as defined by VMware
and one is redirection as defined by simply looking at it and seeing they
are programicly relocating files in the same file system.. ;)
Your take?
DB
p.s. it is nice to chat with you Steve. It has been way too long.
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
Citrix Technology Professional
DABCC, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:25 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: MSTerminalServices.org - To Virtualize or Not To
Virtualize with SBC
Good point, there is always a bit of weazling going on in the marketing
departments :)
I think Citrix co-opting Virtualization for PS is fair, I call it session
virtualization and this is reasonable. If they try to call Ardence OS
virtualization, that would go too far, it is really disk virtualization and
it goes a great job at it....
On streaming/redirection - do you consider SoftGrid application
virtualization?
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Douglas A. Brown
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:50 AM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: MSTerminalServices.org - To Virtualize or Not To
Virtualize with SBC
I get a kick out of the title, "to Virtualize or not".... seems like
something that was written about a very successful application
virtualization solution (to install or not about app Softgrid)
I have not read the article, I will. Wilco is way smart so I can only
imagine it is well done but I do respect your opinions too Jim.
But it makes me think. Is Ardence (Citrix) trying to redefine the term OS
virtualization like Citrix tried to weasel their way in to calling a
"streaming" / "redirection" technology "application virtualization"?
The good part is that we have Steve G to set them straight!!! :) :) :)
DB
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
Citrix Technology Professional
DABCC, Inc.
Phone: (954) 778-9558
Fax: (941) 827-9073
E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx
Web: http://www.dabcc.com
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jim Kerr
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:24 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: MSTerminalServices.org - To Virtualize or Not To
Virtualize with SBC
The article is awful. I recognized this at the first sentence.
"The first virtualization technique that came into the market was server
virtualization."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: [THIN] Re: MSTerminalServices.org - To Virtualize or Not To
Virtualize with SBC
>
> The definition of Operating System virtualization is not quite correct in
> this article. It says that Ardence is OS virtualization, it really is disk
> virtualization. OS virtualization is when a host OS can spawn additional
> unique instances of OS's by virtualizing, i.e. sharing, the underlying OS
> components...
>
> Steve Greenberg
> Thin Client Computing
> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
> Scottsdale, AZ 85262
> (602) 432-8649
> www.thinclient.net
> steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of MSTerminalServices.org
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:10 AM
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> Subject: [THIN] MSTerminalServices.org - To Virtualize or Not To
> Virtualize
> with SBC
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> MSTerminalServices.org - RealTime Article Update
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> Hi THIN List,
>
>
>
> Title: To Virtualize or Not To Virtualize with SBC
> Author: Wilco van Bragt
> Link:
>
http://www.MSTerminalServices.org/articles/Virtualize-Server-Based-Computing
> .html
> Summary: The types of virtualization which exist for an SBC
> infrastructure.
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