[THIN] Re: MS Licensing of Office
- From: "Joseph Finley" <jfinley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:40:02 -0400
I know for a fact it's backward compatible licensing. I got into a HUGE
argument on the phone with Microsoft's licensing manager named Roy. =
After
reciting the EULA to him and directing him to HIS own company's website =
he
agreed. You'd think they would know this.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
Behalf
Of Roger Riggins
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:40 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: MS Licensing of Office
The licenses should be backward-compatible. If you purchase an Office XP
license, you may run an earlier version of Office and be legit. This =
applies
for OS'es as well.=3D20
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: adam morley [mailto:adam-thin@xxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:41 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: MS Licensing of Office
It seems to me that they only need 15:
"The Office EULA requires you to acquire and dedicate a license for each
Windows-based terminal (or any other device) on which Office will run, =
or
from which Office will be accessed. 'Acquire and dedicate' means you =
will
need to obtain a license for each device that is to run Office on a
recurring basis."
You just have to say that 15 of the terminals are "office terminals."
"Dedicate a license for Office for every computer on which you plan to =
use
Office." where computer can =3D3D unix workstation, mac, Winterm, =3D =
etc.
Scenario 1 helps:
"Scenario 1:
A customer has 50 Windows-based workstation devices in a call center and
would like to use Office XP on all these workstations. Two terminal =
servers
support the 50 Windows-based workstations. The customer will need to =
acquire
50 Office licenses?one for each computer that will run Office. Even if a
workstation is expected to run Office only infrequently, the customer =
will
still need to acquire and dedicate an Office license for that =
workstation.
If 20 of these workstation will never run Office, then the customer will
only need to acquire 30 licenses."
The last part is important. Note that I *believe* that licensing is =
based
off office XP, so 97pro might be a different licensing model --- read =
the
EULA and it might be different.
In the event you find out that you really need to buy 15 more licenses, =
tell
me where you get them, as I haven't figured out where to get office 97 =
pro
licenses anymore. And then, if you can't, and are worried, you could =
use
OpenOffice, provided it can do what you need. Our excel users can't use
StarOffice/OpenOffice because it can't do some of the things they need =
to
do. But StarOffice/OpenOffice seem a lot like office 97 sometimes.
bb,
adam
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 09:53:16AM +0930, jay.jukes@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> This website sums it up pretty well. Licensing isn't on a per user
basis
> and is not concurrent. If you have 15 users and they use 30 different =
>desktop devices, you will need 30 licenses. =3D20
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/licensoffic
e.asp
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> Cheers
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> 19/06/2003 09:48
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> Please respond to
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> I need some clarification on a specific issue we have with a client.=20
>=3D20 They have a NT4Terminal server with 30 users and will be =
upgrading=20
>to
=3D3D
> Win2k TSE. They only have a 15 user license for MS Office 97 which
they =3D3D
> are happy to keep using, the problem is Microsoft said that they MUST
=3D3D
> have 30 MS Office licenses because it is a Terminal Server and 30
people =3D3D
> have the potential to use it.
> My question is, if they only have 15 (or less) users that need MS
Office =3D3D
> do they really have to get 30 Office licenses ?
> If the 15 non Office users have no shortcuts to any MS Office =3D3D=20
> applications is this good enough to prove they do not use it ? We are=20
> very flustered by M$ attitude to Terminal server and licensing
of =3D3D
> MS Software on this platform. We have 30 W2k CALs and 30 TSE CALs,
but =3D3D
> getting 15 more Office CALs for people who will never use it seems to
be =3D3D
> a huge waste of money.
> I just want to here from others who may have been told the same as me
or =3D3D
> who have found a different story as I can get 2 different opinions
from =3D3D
> M$ about the same question.
> TIA
> Malcolm
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