[THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
- From: "Jim Hathaway" <JimH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:23:55 -0800
My understanding was that this only happened if set via policy (which I =
usually set anyways) But it is good to know where to go to change the =
default functionality if needed.=20
Hopefully this info will assist Chad with his developers.=20
Thanks,=20
J
-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Hansen-=D8vre [mailto:Anders.Hansen-Ovre@xxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Thursday December 19, 2002 11:39 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
More input :)
Windows 2000 will by default exclude temp;local settins;temp ie files
and history from a roaming profile. This in done by default and can only
be "changed" by editing the ntuser.ini file in the users profiles. This
file lists all directories that windows should exclude from the roaming
profile when the user does a logoff and the profile is dumped back into
the profilestore (the profile share).
There is a default option under GroupPolicy if you have ActiveDirectory
that enables you to exclude folder from a roaming profile. Changes in
this setting is added to the 4 folders listed above.
The other option is to not delete cached roaming profiles that will
require some diskspace for the documents and settings folder :)
Hope this helps you.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=20
> Sent: 19. desember 2002 20:08
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> Thanks for all of your input.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hathaway [mailto:JimH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:04 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> Hmm, interesting. The path I mentioned before is where a=20
> policy stores the information. The path you list under=20
> Winlogon, shouldn't be messed with.=3D20
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> I would once again question your developer as to what they=20
> plan to do with that Dir for your users. In general, that=20
> folder is left out of roaming profiles to speed up login=20
> times, if you start including it, your users could suffer, 5=20
> - 20 minute load times. (I have seen 20 min load times in=20
> extreme cases, it's highly annoying)
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> If all they are putting in there is not user specific, and=20
> can be scripted into the profile on logins, then you=20
> shouldn't need to worry about this regkey. If not, then I=20
> would look into your build documentation to see where your=20
> policies are coming from for your users.
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> There is of course always the possibility that your site used=20
> to use policies, and some users profiles have never been=20
> updated from the time that you stopped using policies. NT 4.0=20
> policies are a pain to remove from user profiles. In some=20
> cases, the easiest way is to delete and recreate each user=20
> profile, without the restrictions.=3D20
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> Not knowing the full extent of your environment however,=20
> removing policies from your user profiles could cause many=20
> other problems. So I'd be careful, and test out all changes=20
> on temp or test users first.=3D20
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> My $.02
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> J
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> Sent: Thursday December 19, 2002 10:50 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> I found that in a couple locations.
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> Current user, local machine, users.
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> Each time under=20
> software\microsoft\windowsnt\currentversion\winlogon=3D20
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> So what do I do with it? How do I stop that from happening,=20
> now that I know that it is?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hathaway [mailto:JimH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:45 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> Sorry Chad, I gave you the wrong key name here.=3D3D20
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> Search on 'Excludeprofiledirs'
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> J
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
> Sent: Thursday December 19, 2002 10:18 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> Can't find the entry 'excludedprofiledirs' in the entire registry.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hathaway [mailto:JimH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:11 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> More specifically Chad, if you go to regedit from one of your=20
> TS servers. Go to HKEY_users, select the SID of a standard=20
> user, and go to:
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> HKEY_USERS\(user - SID string)\software\policies\windows\system
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> You will see the subkey 'excludedprofiledirs' which should=20
> list 'local settings'.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D20
> Sent: Thursday December 19, 2002 10:00 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> I do have an ntuser.pol file. Was not aware that we were=20
> using policies on Office users.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hathaway [mailto:JimH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:55 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> Are you Win2k TS, or Nt 4.0 TSE?
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> When you look at your currently loaded profiles on your TS=20
> server. At the root of a standard user profile. Do you see a=20
> file called, Ntuser.pol?
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> If yes, you are applying user based policies, and are using=20
> the afore mentioned policy setting to decrease the overall=20
> size of your roaming profiles. (it helps with shorting the load times)
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> If you're Win2k, right click the OU where your TS servers=20
> are, and look for a policy. If you're TSE, as an admin, load=20
> up poledit from the server, select 'open registry', select=20
> 'local computer', expand 'network', expand 'system policies=20
> update', highlight 'remote update', and look for any path=20
> settings. This process is used to redirect an NT 4.0 based=20
> machine to a manual policy path.=3D3D3D3D20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D20
> Sent: Thursday December 19, 2002 9:44 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> I don't believe I have any group policies set.
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> I have never even used group policies.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hathaway [mailto:JimH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:44 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> Are you applying group policies to this installation?
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> The option of 'excluded directories from roaming profiles' by=20
> default contains the 'local settings' folder.
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> J
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D20
> Sent: Thursday December 19, 2002 9:35 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> On the TS servers, I do see a local settings folder for those=20
> profiles which are created on that server.
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> What I don't see, is a local settings folder in the=20
> \\server\homedirs\%username% TS home directory.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hathaway [mailto:JimH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:30 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> Are you looking at the network share where the roaming=20
> profiles are stored, or are you looking at currently loaded=20
> profiles on your TS servers?=3D3D3D3D3D3D20
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> On a Win2k TS server, all my currently loaded profiles, show=20
> a 'local settins' folder.=3D3D3D3D3D3D20
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> J
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> Sent: Thursday December 19, 2002 9:26 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> I am viewing hidden and do not see it.
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> Apparently, according to the developer, .NET stores it's info=20
> in the local settings\application data\application history folder.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hathaway [mailto:JimH@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:25 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> Your roaming profiles should have that folder, but it's=20
> hidden, so make sure you're able to view hidden =
files.=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
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> If your app needs to write info to that location. I guess my=20
> question is. Why? And What does it store there?
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> Essentially you're saying that the app needs to write info to=20
> a users profile before it will work for that user. Are these=20
> temp files, or settings files that control how the user sees=20
> the application?
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> Apps that need to write to local profiles can be pains=20
> sometimes, mostly because you will need to find a way to=20
> script in the files needed to run the app to the users=20
> profile on login to the TS servers.=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
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> Technically though, running apps with info from the 'local=20
> settings' folder is fine though, as your end users will have=20
> all the rights they need to access those files.=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
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> HTH
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. =
[mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D3D3D3D20
> Sent: Thursday December 19, 2002 9:00 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Local Settings folder
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> This is being brought up as our developers are writing a new=20
> app.. in ..NET.
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> Apparently .NET uses the Local Settings folder extensively.
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> Anyone fill me in on how I can work with this, as my Roaming=20
> profiles have no Local Settings folder.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:39 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Local Settings folder
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> We use roaming profiles, and I have a developer asking the=20
> following question.
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> Can someone help me explain it?
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> I guess what I am trying to ask is that when an app requires=20
> information to be put into the <Local Profile>\Local Settings=20
> folder, where does it go when running through Citrix?
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> Chad M. Schneider
> Technology Analyst II
> Curwood, Inc.
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