I've seen this issue as well and found that upgrading to MetaFrame XP resolved the issue. :) As a temporary workaround when this issue occurs, restart the Program Neighborhood service on whichever server users are configured to communicate with. This should bring back all of the applications. Carl Stalhood Choice Solutions -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jason.weems@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 4:14 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Issue: Application lists dropping from client PN application lists I did post something on this last week, though I have since gathered more information. I am currently trying to work w/ Citrix on the issue, however my Citrix vendor does not seem to be in the office today (grrr... although, I can't complain too much, as I don't think I should be here today anyway :) The issue that is occuring is that applications are occasionally dropping off Citrix user application lists. I have taken debug logs (QServer /debugnhwatch) from the all our Citrix servers during the period that the issue was occurring. Unlike some logs I had taken the end of last week, all the debug logs appear to be consistently reporting all MetaFrame server application set information. Any suggestions would be greatly appeciated. Possible Notes of interest: 1. Application list(s) from servers display a full list of applications, issue is only occurring from client workstations 2. Applications disappearing are typically non-core production applications, as most of our core applications are load balanced across multiple servers. If a user were no longer able to browse a server for an application list, the user should still be able to the see the application as it would be published via other Citrix servers that are still currently available. 3. 'QServer /TCP' and 'Qserver /IPX' both display correct information at same time workstations clients only reporting partial application list. 4. Forcing an election (qserver /election) will not make the full application list refresh. 5. If you update an IMS published application properties (ex: ServerName - Task Manager), that application will refresh and be added to the client application list. However, only that application will re-appear (i.e. other applications published on that server still do not appear) 6. When applications were dropping off user application lists on Friday (11/26/02), the same (2) sets of servers consistently appeared to be dropping off (i.e. the exact servers that were dropping off did not appear to be sporadic lists) 7. We have recently added (2) backup domain controllers into our production network. At aproximately 1:45 PM today, I asked a co-worker to power down the DC servers. We have not had the disappearing application list issue re-occur since the DC servers were taken down, however the issue stopped occuring aproximately 30 minutes prior (i.e. 1:15). The servers are currently back up, however the Net Logon service has been disabled on the servers. I have requested our local helpdesk inform me when users next report applications disappearing within their client. 8. Our NFuse web site also appears to be dropping published applications. The issue seems even more prominant from NFuse than on the client PN side. 9. Both reported occurences off applications disappearing from the client PN application list occured during the latter part of the week (i.e. Thursday and Friday). Issue did not occur this Monday (11/15) through Wednesday (11/27). Regards Jason Weems Sr. Network Systems Engineer Systems Engineering Group Citigroup Real Estate Lending and Technology Group 314-275-1142 jason.weems@xxxxxxxxxxxx *********************************************** This Weeks Sponsor OneApp Total Control Control, Secure and Audit your Thin Client Systems http://www.oneapp.co.uk *********************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm *********************************************** This Weeks Sponsor: Jetro Platforms Introducing the first multi-protocol server-based computing solution. Jetro CockpIT and BoostIT allow enterprises to centrally manage applications in Web, local applications and server-based computing protocols. http://www.jp-inc.com ************************************************ For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link. http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm