If you need an INTERNAL ONLY IM product that also runs on Citrix and is fairly inexpensive check out WMSoftware's WMSMessenger product. http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/ <http://www.wmsoftware.com/wmsm/> We have been using internally for several years. They have a demo available. Easy to set up and all you need. Great stuff! This should at least eliminate some of your security concerns. Jim Kenzig http://thin.net <http://thin.net> -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Landin, Mark Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:05 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Instant Messenger Those are all good reasons, I agree. But Nick must have different reasons, because otherwise he would be able to articualte these to the users and to management. "Wasted time", though, is kind of a subjective one. There are legitimate business uses for IM, just like for a telephone. _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew Shrewsbury Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:28 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Instant Messenger Employee time wasted, virus, spam, wasted bandwidth, etc. Yes some people are trying to spam instant messengers now days. Matthew Shrewsbury, MCSE+Internet MCSE 2000 CCA Network Administrator -----Original Message----- From: Landin, Mark [mailto:Mark.Landin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:19 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Instant Messenger Why don't you want them to? _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robinson, Nick Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:19 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Instant Messenger I have a growing number of people in my organization that are using Yahoo Instant Messenger. I don't want them to use it but I can't give them a reason not to. Can anyone tell me any reasons NOT to use Yahoo Instant Messenger so I can validate taking it away? The evil admin Nick