In addition, if you use Jabber (see www.jabber.org <http://www.jabber.org> ) there are lots of free servers for windows, linux, unix, etc. as well as commercial servers (if support is required). There are also lots of free and commercial clients out there, for windows, java, anything really. If it would help, you can also create "bots" for Jabber using PHP, Java, ... infact any of the programming languages which can read and write XML over a TCP/IP port to broadcast to a group of users or to respond to queries (e.g. management could send a message to a bot saying "Uptime Server" and get a response from the server, or a user could say "Monitor My Call" which would then go to all available managers if a troublesome caller was on the line). For an example of a jabber bot, look at http://edgar.netflint.net/ <http://edgar.netflint.net/> which is a simple "Is person xyz online?" bot. It has some other functions which can be modified - as you've got the source code with this. Hope this helps :) Jon Spriggs -- The presence of a "Fujitsu" address does not imply or assume that Fujitsu Services, Fujitsu or any other company containing the Fujitsu name uses or endorses this product. This email is purely a personal opinion. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Raffensberger [mailto:sraffens1@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 19 August 2004 15:19 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Instant Messenger I agree that there are legitimate uses for IM. We've used it extensively in the last two places I've worked. The best thing to do is to choose an IM that lets you bring the server in house. That way, your company traffic isn't being transmitted over the Internet in clear text. It also allows you to monitor how much it is being (ab)used more easily. There is one called "jabber" that allows connection to the major IM services via the internal server instead of from each client. HTH Raff -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Landin, Mark Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:05 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Instant Messenger Those are all good reasons, I agree. But Nick must have different reasons, because otherwise he would be able to articualte these to the users and to management. "Wasted time", though, is kind of a subjective one. There are legitimate business uses for IM, just like for a telephone. _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew Shrewsbury Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:28 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Instant Messenger Employee time wasted, virus, spam, wasted bandwidth, etc. Yes some people are trying to spam instant messengers now days. Matthew Shrewsbury, MCSE+Internet MCSE 2000 CCA Network Administrator -----Original Message----- From: Landin, Mark [mailto:Mark.Landin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 5:19 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Instant Messenger Why don't you want them to? _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robinson, Nick Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 4:19 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Instant Messenger I have a growing number of people in my organization that are using Yahoo Instant Messenger. I don't want them to use it but I can't give them a reason not to. Can anyone tell me any reasons NOT to use Yahoo Instant Messenger so I can validate taking it away? The evil admin Nick