If you really must have a "rule", go ahead and always install Metaframe early in the process, test it, overcome any issues and then install apps..... Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Parr Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:05 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order There will always be best practises for installing, guaranteed.(Why else would you subscribe to a list service such as this one) Even in a less complicated non-TS/Cxitrix environment there are best practises you would want to follow. Yes some installs will require unique things that need to be done but on the other side of things there will always be items that should be followed (unless the uniqeness of the app prevents following a specific type of best practise)as well regardless of how unique the app may happen to be. To argue that is to like trying to deny 1+1 equals 1. I see no point. -----Original Message----- From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:25:42 To:<thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order We tailor each installation, and the precise methodology we use, to the environment we are working on. What I said in the original post is that there is no absolute best practise and that lately we are tending to install the apps first. What exactly is wrong with that? Isn't it obvious that this means that we have done it many different ways and don't have one rigid way of doing it? Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RMC - Brian Hill Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:03 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order I have to agree. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Saunders [mailto:jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:34 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order Steve, Aren't you then introducing two test plans? One pre Citrix installation and the other post Citrix installation. As you said, you test all your apps before you install Citrix. Surely you would then test them all after installing Citrix because the server states have changed. So how does this work for a Pilot rollout? I believe that you should be more trusting of a product that has matured very well over the years. You should also be confident in your own skills (and the skills of your team) to fault find any issues. If you do the Citrix Core Technologies and Architecture course (CTX-6100), you'll understand how Citrix technology fits in with the elements of Terminal Services, such as the kernel, drivers, etc. I'm not having a go at you, nor do I mean to be disrespectful, I just think your theory is outdated. But if that works for you and provides you with a method of deploying successful Citrix solutions, then don't let me talk you out of that comfort zone. Cheers, Jeremy. "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@thinclien t.net> To Sent by: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> thin-bounce@freel cc ists.org Subject [THIN] Re: Install Order 22/12/2004 05:49 AM Please respond to thin This is a lot more than theory, this has been done on many, many servers in the field! Your point about drive re-mapping is a good one, you should install Metaframe first if you plan to re-map, it certainly will break apps if you try to do it later.... Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeremy Saunders Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:26 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order Good in theory, but not practical for a standard install method. What if you are remapping the drives? This should be done before you install the apps, so that you can test for application compatility, etc. Citrix do not interfere with the RDP protocol, so you can still test things using RDP to eliminate Citrix as an issue at a later date. Kind regards, Jeremy Jeremy Saunders Senior Systems Engineer ”ITS - passionate about winning” IBM Logicalis (Integrated Technology Services) Level 2, 1060 Hay Street West Perth, WA 6005, AUSTRALIA Visit us at http://www.ibm.com/services/au/its Phone: 132 426 Fax: 08 9261 8536 Mobile: TBA E-mail: jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@thinclien t.net> To Sent by: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> thin-bounce@freel cc ists.org Subject [THIN] Re: Install Order 22/12/2004 02:10 AM Please respond to thin There doesn't seem to be an absolute best practise here, but we tend nowadays to install all the apps and do initial testing with RDP, then install Metaframe after. This way you can eliminate any issues possibly introduced by Metaframe (pretty rare though). Also, this way you can capture an image which can be deployed later by adding it to the domain and installing Metaframe via script. We like this better because it is cleaner to install Metaframe anew on each server and join the farm "fresh". Regards, Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joanne Determann Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:37 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order I asked that question too. I gathered from the responses it doesn't really matter. I installed all the app after MF and my newest 2003 MF server is cruising along just peachy. Now I'm rebuilding an older one. JD -----Original Message----- From: Greg Watts [mailto:cgwatts@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:57 AM To: Thin Subject: [THIN] Install Order Is it recommended to install applications before or after installing MPS 3.0? What is the best practice? 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