[THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?

  • From: Jeremy Saunders <jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:53:30 +0800

Yes...that ESX stuff with VMotion is the way to go. It rocks! I guess I had
a bad experience with the HP blade deployment I did back in January of this
year, and a great experience with the IBM blade deployment I did in August.

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Agreed... HP Blades and their management kick the sh*t out of any of the
other ones.
The altiris deployment console makes imaging a breeze. The Ilo rocks!  If I
were you I would buy a blade
center with a huge amount of storage array,  buy a couple copies of vmware
esx with vmotion and P2V your existing
DL380's and have a heavenly environment where you can never leave your desk
to manage all your systems.
I've reached that nirvana and there is no turning back! If my company
didn't make me come in I could stay at home
and still manage my entire Center and rarely have to walk in the room.


----- Original Message ----
From: M <mathras@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:19:55 PM
Subject: [THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?

I have to disagree with you about your HP Blade comments.I had to smile
you suggested they were difficult to work with.

HP Blades are a doddle and not difficult to work with at all.
I put in a brand new rack with Fault Tolerant 3 phase power supplies, 5
enclosures. 40 blades and 10 Copper Gigabit Interconnect cards and cabled
one day. I retreated to my desk where i had operating systems up and
in approx 1 hr.
Feet up eating my first Bic Mac and planning my ESX server takeover.

About the iLO ... The early versions of the iLo were poor but since version
1.75 the iLo has improved and the mouse sync issues are long gone. The iLos
also can be scripted too.
You can also connect the HP blades to KVM switches.

Cabling. Look behind most server racks and the cabling is often a dogs
dinner. The cabling for the HP Blades/Scalable /Mini Bus Bars is so simple
and well laid out its untrue.

If your using something like Altiris/RDP how many times are you going to
visit the console anyway ? In fact how may server admins even visit the
server console anymore anyway?
Ive estimated that in the last month ive used an iLO three times. Once due
server not booting via PXE properly, once to change the name of an
and once to remove Citrix from a server after a script refused to.

The iLo floppy and CD options are pretty good as well plus they worked
time for me without having to resort to documentation and thats a bonus in
my book.

As to hardware failures in nearly two years of Blade use we have had one
hard disk fail, one psu die and one BBWC fail. Thats a better record than
our S*n servers that sit opposite.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Saunders" <jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: [THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?

Interesting view James.

Even though I work for IBM, we also deploy HP, Dell, etc. We are part of
the service arm. I am infact a HP ASE. My experience has found that the HP
blades are difficult to work with. The Java interface to the Advanced iLO
is poor (mouse sync is a known issue), etc.

The IBMs also have build in Floppy, CD and USB, and a KVM switch. The
method to achieve this through the HPs always leaves me very frustrated.

People tend to buy the HP blades due to the fact that they are a HP house,
and are more interested in sticking with HP. But if I get a chance to
demonstrate the two, customers then choose IBM.

I think it all comes down to preferences and peoples aliances.

Kind regards,

Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist

Integrated Technology Services &
IBM Australia
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth WA 6005

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vs. HP DL360?

Anyone want to chime in with their 2 cents on the IBM blade vs the HP
DL360?  We're currently using the DL360s but looking at the IBMs...just
wondering if anyone had any stories to tell.

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