Start of rant ---- I wish I could say this was a good product, but I can't. I can't even get the thing installed!!!! I get the MSAM going, but when I go to setup the CSG, it goes downhill. Anyone ever read the docs? Why does one doc point to another, which then points back to the original? I've even gone so far as to use the examples in the docs. No dice. Systems can't seem to see each other. Dave Mishchenko pointed me to a tech article on Citrix's website that literally says the following in the "Cause" section: "For some reason..." Sounds like a lot of troubleshooting went into that one. Anyway, once I start messing with CSG, it messes up my MSAM. Don't know why. Maybe it has something to do with certificates. It trashes my servers so bad that I can't even bring up the default web page of the default web sites, even when the website/server is the local machine. ARGH!!! -- End of rant Has anyone successfully installed the latest versions of MSAM and CSG from scratch? All the docs seem to assume that you have an older version and want to upgrade. I've followed all the onscreen instructions and the instructions from the MSAM 2.2 supplemental guide. It basically assumes the same thing and has you install the older versions, configure them, and then upgrade. Not very elegant. adam ******************************************************** This Weeks Sponsor Emergent Online ThinCity Conference Join us at ThinCity 2004: The 1st Annual Emergent OnLine Technology Conference http://www.ThinCity.com ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thin.net/citrixlist.cfm