[THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
- From: "Schneider, Chad M" <CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:29:23 -0600
Canons, deskjets, small laserjets, Lexmark, Dymo label printers, all in
ones, etc.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:03 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
That is encouraging... Does the customer user a lot of Deskjets?
All-in-ones, Fax/Printer combos, older 4/5 Si?
Joe
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Schneider, Chad M
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:47 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
UPD in 4.0, newly rolled zone, forcing all to use UPD, working GREAT!
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:36 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Most likely, if you have a "dumb" thin client device you do not have a local
printer attached.
I've used the UPD driver since day 1 and it's been crap ever since... If it
was so great, why did Citrix switch in 4.0? Anyways, the UPD would work
maybe 80% of the time. Other times, sessions would abend, users would get
garbage, and (my personal favorite) print job get sent to the black hole...
(Job spools to workstation, then to printer and nothing would ever come out)
When you have 30,000 seats, it's difficult to mandate what printers users
can and cannot use. Funny thing is some idiot in the company decided to
set the switch for UPD only and didn't tell anyone (he was trying to
troubleshoot a printing issue, ironic)... We immediately started seeing an
increase of trouble tickets. By the time it was all said and done, it took
the team three days to close out the flood of tickets... If the UPD (XP FR3
version) was so universal, why didn't it just work? Why did so many users
have problems printing?
ThinPrint was implements shortly after... Definitely a God send.
Joe
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jim Kenzig http://Kenzig.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:20 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
So what about "dumb" thin client devices with flash that you can't install
things on? Trying to push out a driver or any piece of software for that
matter defeats the purpose of having a thin client....think about it.
I am not disagreeing with you, we do have home users connect...they haven't
had any problems using the UPD in my environment since we have been on MPS
3. In earlier versions of Citrix (and TS) especially NT the UPD/Spooler was
not as stable. If you have 2003 server and any version of Citrix above MF
3.0 you should be able to run a stable environment without a third party
utility.
I am by no means trying to "dis" Screwdrivers (or any of the products) as I
said, they all have their own merit. But if admins take the time to learn
how the printing subsystem and environment works in a TS/Citrix environment
it can go a long way in setting up a stable system.
Jim
wrote:
Jim-
With all due respect, I believe the reason your printing solution is stable
is because as you yourself admitted below, you only have 3 types of printers
that you work with. When you're dealing with home users who purchase just
about every type of printer available, things become significantly more
complicated. For us, ScrewDrivers has been pretty damn good...cert ainly
not perfect, but pretty damn good nonetheless.
As far as installing/upgrading with ScrewDrivers goes, they do indeed have
client push packages that work well with WI4 (hell, we were using it on
NFuse 1.6 with a Columbia interface at one point in time not too long ago so
it is pretty much universal)...the install is automatically triggered for
the users if their local client revision is not up to date, and I haven't
had any real complaints about it.
I believe the selection of a printing solution should be ta ilored for each
environment. Although the UPD works well for installations with
standardized printers, in an environment with a wide range of printer types
one of the "universal" printing solutions, whether it be tricerat,
thinprint, etc., becomes exponentially more attractive.
My $0.02 only...
-Dave Melczer
dmelczer@xxxxxxxx <mailto:dmelczer@xxxxxxxx>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jim Kenzig http://Kenzig.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:40 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
First let me say that I believe most all of the 3rd party printing products
have their own merit. That being said I have a problem with how some of the
vendors products work.
It is great that triCerat has removed the need for drivers on the server but
in doing so they require you install a "client" piece on the client. This
doesn't bode well with me. I understand that they are working on a product
that doesn't require a client but it is as yet to be released. Here is the
issue...instead of having to just install 1 d river on all your
servers...you are stuck supporting ALL of your workstations and trying to
find a way to get the client on them and teaching users how to install it..
etc etc. Not to mention upgrading the tricerat client on all the
workstations when you need to.
I really am puzzled why people think this is such a "wonderful" solution.
Instead of a few drivers an d mappings on the server...you have to install
clients on every workstation you own or on any workstation that connects so
that they can print. shaking head...
Story time
I have a stable printing environment without the use of any 3rd party
utility. We do connect all client printers. It takes some work but it can be
done. We recently purchased a hosted ASP service by ADP to do our
timesheets and they wanted me to install the triCerat driver on all of my
workstations. I told them they are out of their mind. If I am paying an
ASP I don't expect to have to turn around and install 1000 printer clients
and on top of it have an additional printer connecting to my local citrix
servers and being added into the mix.
I basically told ADP that they have a choice...either they can give us a
hosted server with the UPD enabled or add the printer drivers for the 3
types of printers that we use here beca use I was not going to add the
overhead to my local servers. I think it is insane and unacceptable for a
service provider to expect and require the client to have to install any
piece of software on their desktops other than the TS/Citrix client that is.
ThinPrint does not require a client piece btw.
Jim Kenzig
Steve Greenberg wrote:
Yes, also a very good product
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin- On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:49 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
ThinPrint probably ranks well as a solution to do away with having to
install drivers on Citrix as well no? Have not used it but sounds like a
good product.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Greenberg"
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:53:16
To:
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Agreed, Tricerat has taken this tehcnology much further than EMF and as a
result is approaching 100% reliable client printing....
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