[THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
- From: "Steve Parr" <sparr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:48:46 +0000 GMT
ThinPrint probably ranks well as a solution to do away with having to install
drivers on Citrix as well no? Have not used it but sounds like a good product.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:53:16
To:<thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Agreed, Tricerat has taken this tehcnology much further than EMF and as a
result is approaching 100% reliable client printing....
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Tim Mangan
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:26 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Tricerat used to have a similar approach. They abandoned it years ago because
you still need drivers on the server. Their approach these days avoids loading
drivers on the server (hence the name Screwdrivers).
tim
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Robert K Coffman Jr - Info From Data
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:09 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Is this what Tricerat etc. do? Is that functionality now in the combination of
MPS4 and PN 9?
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:55 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
I think the distinction is that when using EMF the print job is still in it's
raw format when on the server, i.e. much smaller and not driver specific. It
is still processed on the server, but the overhead is minimal. The EMF data
is then sent down to the client where it is processed by the client print
driver, i,e, "unpacked". Think of a PDF file that is 100k on disk and then
when you print it the spool file is several megs. The "several megs" part
only happens on the client.
Does that make sense?
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:45 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Don't know Evan as have not used or even tested MPS4 yet. Am hoping someone
will enlighten us!
I don't think it's UPD as that is still using spooler service. My
understanding was new way of printing completely bypasses traditional way of
TS or Citrix printing so that nothing is "spooled" on Citrix - the app doing
the printing along with Windows OS creates the raw EMF file which gets
directly sent down to ICA client were it then gets spooled for first and only
time. Maybe I was dreaming. J It was too good to be true after all..
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:25 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Is "EMF or driverless" is basically using the UPD? I went straight to
installing drivers. We had little time to test the Citrix farm, and I
couldn't afford lip from users. I tried the UPD on my Dell printers, and a
few Savin's, but none worked for much of anything. I'd imagine it would be
fairly foolproof on the HP LaserJet 4xxx series printers I use.
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:15 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
So did you go to "installing the print drivers on Citrix" right away as that
is your preference(and has been mine as well) OR did you try to print the new
MPS4 way without a driver, the "EMF or driverless" way first and because did
not work too well revert to "installing drivers on Citrix"?
What I am looking for is feedback from anyone who has tried to go driverless
on Citrix with MPS 4 to see how well that works...
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:51 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Yup, I am installing the actual printer drivers on 1 citrix server, then
replicating them to the entire farm, so every printer maps to the actual
driver for that printer. I try to use the same driver across all my sites
using Citrix, but that's not always the case. My citrix server has the
newest versions, but some sites will have an older one.
Anyway, I do this because I personally feel it will give me the least amount
of problems, and I use a fairly standard set of about a dozen different HP
LaserJet's and a Dell 1700/1710/5300's.
I do manual printer mappings for random printers people use at home, like
DeskJet's to DeskJet 550C, and some older laserjet's to the LJ4. I'm just
trying to head off at the pass any potential UPD realted problems, because I
had already ran into them when I tried to rely on it for a few printers.
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:25 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
When you say using all native drivers I assume you are installing the dirvers
on Citrix server and letting them map when users log on 1:1 vs. any type of
UPD. BUT I thought the promise with MPS4 was(with the caveat that some apps
would still fall back to old way of printing if EMF file handling was not
possible in the way required) that the EMF print file would be sent directly
down to the client effectively doing away with the need to install any
drivers on Citrix?
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:08 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
My farm is a clean install of 2003 SP1 with MPS4.0, no upgrades or anything
like that. The farm itself is extremely stable. I have 2 zones with 2
servers per zone and a single WI server (I also use CSG). My only issues
have been all printing related, but some were fixed by hotfixes (Print Manager
crashing) and others appear to be related to an app I use that relies on a
kernel mode driver. I use all native drivers, not the UPD, and I don't do
any imported network printing, so it's pretty striaght forward on the
printing end. I'm most likely going to deploy ScrewDrivers if my testing
proves to solve some application specific printing issues.
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:50 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] How ready\stable is MPS 4?
How far have things come? If stability is my number one priority should I
stick with XP FR3?
Also the real attraction for our company would be the apparent ease with
which printing in theory is dealt with by MPS 4 - how much has this proven
true in practice for others?
Also I assume the upgrade path from XP3 to MPS4 is not smooth and possibly
not even an option from what I recall reading on the topic last spring?
Probably need to be on PS 3 to upgrade to 4?
Steve Parr
Metroland Printing, Publishing and Distributing Ltd.
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