Hmm... Perhaps I'm wrong. I have noticed that the sequencer reorders the files that load. At one point in time, it was faster to launch a Metaframe session running Word/Excel (Sequenced) than it was to launch and normal installation of Word/Excel from the local machine. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ron Oglesby Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:45 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: How many servers? That is incorrect. Softricity apps are isolated not optimized. Apps running in the softgrid virtual environment look the same (from utilization level) as the same app loaded locally. TScale can optimize the usage of the app to reduce the amount of memory be used. Softgrid doesn't do that. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shonk [mailto:joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:41 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: How many servers? Keep in mind that Softricity based apps are already inherently optimized due to the way the sequencer packages the application. There is little/nothing TScale would be able to do even if it could optimize the Softricity application. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ron Oglesby Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:29 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: How many servers? Does "NOTHING" for. That is a big word... NOTHING. Lets see Softricity based applications are not optimized by TScale. Why? Simply because Softricity isolates the app from everything else to TSscale doesn't work with it (wont let is share with other sessions which would not help softricity at all) Bernd and I spoke of this some. Helps less with Office products... Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:52 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: How many servers? And there are some apps that TScale does absolutely nothing for. It's a matter of testing. -Paul > ---------- > From: Brian Madden[SMTP:brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:23 PM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: How many servers? > > Keep in mind that TScale's effectiveness is largely dependent on the > applications. > > In my experience, TScale works best with the big stupid apps, like SAP, > Peoplesoft, Meditech, Oracle, etc, etc.. > > If you're only using Office, TScale gives maybe a 5-10% advantage instead > of > 35%. (I'm sure there are some back-door shenanigans going on at MS where > their apps just "happen" to run more efficiently than other non-MS apps.. > which is why TScale doesn't work as well with them.) > > Brian > > Brian Madden > +1 202.302.3657 > brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > -------- > Visit www.brianmadden.com for thin client white papers, books, product > reviews, courseware, and training videos. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf > Of Matt Kosht > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:28 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: How many servers? > > Take a look at Tscale (http://www.rtosoft.com). It will pay for itself and > then some by increasing your servers user capacity. In my experience > about > 35% more capacity or getting 4 server capacity with only 3 servers is my > rule of thumb. If you are estimating 7 servers you could get by with as > few > as 5. > > A nice bonus is some apps will run noticeably faster. > > > > >>> Miguel-Guzman@xxxxxxx 9/24/2003 10:52:14 AM >>> > > > Hello, > > > > Currently I am running 17 Win NT TSE servers w/2GB or RAM; these servers > will go to their knees when they get to the 40 user count. > > > > I have been told to get us NEW servers so we all finally agreed to > purchase > ProLiant BL20p G2 X3.06-512 Dual Processor Blade servers with 4GB of RAM. > > > > I am going through a brainstorm here trying to figure out how many servers > to ask for... > > > > The average user takes up form 24MB to 45MB of RAM per session; and we > would > like to be able to always have an off-line server or at least if one fails > to not decrease the users performance. So far I have counted 1 server for > CSG & NFuse, 1 server for STA, and 7 MetaFrame XP Win 2003 servers. > > > > Does this seem like a good amount? > > > > > > > > Miguel Enrique Guzmán <mailto:Miguel-Guzman@xxxxxxx> CCA > > Network Analyst I > > (941) 917-7084 > > Information Systems > > Sarasota Memorial Health Care System <http://www.smh.com/> > > (941) 917-9000 > > Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side and a dark side, and it > holds the universe together. > > > > > ******************************************************** > This Week's Sponsor - RTO Software / TScale > What's keeping you from getting more from your terminal servers? Did you > know, in most cases, CPU Utilization IS NOT the single biggest constraint > to scaling up?! Get this free white paper to understand the real > constraints & how to overcome them. 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