[THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
- From: "Stansel, Paul" <Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:39:20 -0400
Interestingly enough, as a healthcare employee in the U.S. I am subject to
higher insurance premiums than the general public. The reasoning is that
we, as healthcare people, generally expect and ask for better care, more
tests, etc; The numbers actually bear this out. We were asked by our
management to refrain from "frivolous" procedure requests to help bring our
insurance premiums down. Lovely.
-Paul
> ----------
> From: Bennett, Cameron[SMTP:CBennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 10:40 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> future.
>
> There is no fight to be had. Public access to health is a marvelous goal,
> but one that has proven to be remarkably wasteful here in Canada. Since
> there is no cost, there is no accountability from consumers. This causes
> the burden on care that forces many including myself to seek care that is
> more timely, even if payment is required.
>
> What's the solution? Beats me but I think if people who clog emergency
> rooms and doctor's office frivolous things were assessed a fee, then maybe
> people would think twice before overburdening the system.
>
> Note from my sig where I work. I have seen this first hand.
>
> Cameron
>
> Cameron Bennett
> MIS, Technical Support Specialist
> Rouge Valley Health System - Centenary Site
> phone: 416.284.8131 x4660
> pager: 416.713.0642
> cbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:57 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
>
>
> Hehe... we can take this offline if you want a fight about it. You know,
> things like people waiting in lines to go to the hospital, the fact that
> procedures common in the US can't be had in Canada due to the cost
> restrictions, that sort of thing. Why are so many Canadians crossing the
> border to get healthcare here? I'm really not trying to start a fight
> about
> it, I was just joking with John because of his (obviously stated) Labour
> views.
>
> -Paul
>
> > ----------
> > From: Bennett, Cameron[SMTP:CBennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:56 AM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> > future.
> >
> > Or how about from Canada, where we have free health care as well. Say
> > Paul, how about that infant mortality rate in the US where in some
> > places it is almost triple that of Canada's?
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:42 AM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the future.
> >
> >
> > Heh, or from the other side of the fence... socialism at its worst :).
> > Say John, how goes that case where the free clinics impregnated the
> > woman with the wrong fertilized egg? :)
> >
> > -Paul (in the U.S. so I don't care about the politics)
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Blackman, John[SMTP:John.Blackman@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:41 AM
> > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> > > future.
> > >
> > > One of the greatest creations of the 20th Century by one of the most
> > > forward thinking Governments of the modern era.
> > >
> > > http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk
> > >
> > > Basically, UK based free-at-the-point-of-delivery health care.
> > >
> > > - John
> > > (obviously a Labour supporter!)
> > >
> > > John Blackman
> > > IT Inc ltd.
> > > Http://www.birse.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ray.Albert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Ray.Albert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 22 July 2002 14:33
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> > > future.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok - Dumb question - What is NHS?
> > >
> > > Ray
> > >
> > >
> > > |--------+------------------------------------->
> > > | | Angus Macdonald |
> > > | | <angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxx|
> > > | | es.nhs.uk> |
> > > | | Sent by: |
> > > | | thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx |
> > > | | |
> > > | | |
> > > | | 07/18/2002 04:13 AM |
> > > | | Please respond to thin |
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> > > | To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > |
> > > | cc:
> > > |
> > > | Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin
> computing
> > > the
> > > future. |
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Those are all good points. Unfortunately we are in Wales and
> > > therefore
> > > not part of the MS deal with the NHS and I'd rather avoid Compaq after
>
> > > my DL360 experiences. We may even look into NewMoon as the licensing
> > > costs should be
> > > much lower.
> > >
> > > The first priority is to provide a nice convincing argument for the
> > > executive laymen.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: M [mailto:mathras@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: 17 July 2002 16:57
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> > > future.
> > >
> > >
> > > Angus
> > > On the Licensing costs
> > >
> > > 1. Your Microsoft licensing will be dirt cheap due to the NHS deal
> > > with Microsoft. 2. I believe there will be a Citrix Licensing scheme
> > > that should give you substantial discounts if you get over a certain
> > > amount of seats. 3.
> > > With all that money that is being pumped into the NHS via next years
> Tax
> > > rise , im sure you should be able to swing funding if you put a decent
> > > proposal forward. 4. If you need new servers , get a special bid from
> > > Compaq. 5. Speak to your GCAT reseller who should be able to advise
> > >
> > > Even before that NHS agreement a TS CAL would have costed between
> > > approx. 4-10 quid whereas Private companies would have to pay approx.
> > > 50-58 quid....
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Angus Macdonald" <angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:38 PM
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> > > future.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ah but we ARE the desktop side of the house. Our problem is going
> > > > to be Finance saying "HOW MUCH????!!"
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > Sent: 17 July 2002 14:18
> > > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> > > > future.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Good luck Angus. I get a lot of grief from the desktop side of
> > > > the
> > > house.
> > > > Their company line is "We moved off mainframes to get away from
> > > > that,
> > > > and now you want to force us back." What they are really saying is
> > > > that they like their job security :). It really is all in how you
> run
> >
> > > > the numbers.
> > > >
> > > > -Paul
> > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > From: Angus Macdonald[SMTP:angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > Reply To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:14 AM
> > > > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [THIN] Here's a biggie. Why is thin computing the
> > > > > future.
> > > > >
> > > > > We all know the answer and I can probably list dozens of reasons
> > > > > myself but I need links to nice official independent web
> > > > > articles or
> >
> > > > > documents detailing the benefits.
> > > > >
> > > > > At the moment we are using Citrix to deploy a patient admin app,
> > > > > but
> > > we'd
> > > > > like to start moving towards a fully thin environment and I've
> > > > > been
> > > tasked
> > > > > with providing a strategy document. All contributions gratefully
> > > received.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Angus
> > > > > Corporate Systems Manager
> > > > > North West Wales NHS Trust
> > > > >
> > > > >
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