[THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
- From: "Joe Shonk" <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:12:48 -0700
Yes technically you're right... There are 3 versions (not to mention the
numerous hot fixes for each)... v6.0 is just an exaggeration. While v3 of
the UPD is completely new, it was not the best choice. EMF redirection was
shown years ago that it's has issues. Third party vendors abandoned this
approach in favor of a developing their own proprietary solution. The
results are pretty conclusive.
It's kind of like Citrix choosing to CPatch for hotfixes instead of
something that proven to work.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jeff Pitsch
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:21 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
actually your wrong. By Citrix's versioning this is UPDv3. Each
release was NOT a new version of UPD. UPDv1 was like FR1. UPDv2 was
FR3. PS4 was UPDv3. of course PS4 is a completely new print
infrastructure so in reality this version 1. You cannot say that this
new UPD has any similarity to the previous version.
Jeff
On 8/16/06, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> For the most part, I agree. However, the UPD is version 6.0 now not 1.0.
> (Each of the XP FR versions was different, then PS 3, then PS4, the PS4 +
> Hotfixes/Rollup2). I'm surprised that Citrix didn't buy the technology
from
> Tricerat or Thinprint. Somehow that would have made sense.
>
>
>
> Yes, printing and profiles problems are not Citrix's doing. But for a
> successful Presentation Server deployment printing and profiles has to
work.
> It may not be Citrix's doing, but they have to deal with it somehow.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Jeff Pitsch
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:50 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
>
>
>
> Again, I will argue that at least Citrix is TRYING. yes it's frustrating
> but what has MS done to fix THEIR PROBLEM. Printing is NOT A CITRIX
> PROBLEM. People get so hung up on blaming Citrix for this and they have
> done it for years when in the end it's not their problem. The UPD
printing
> is a 1.0 product and is going to have problems, so did thinprint,
tricerat,
> provision, etc etc etc. I wish every piece of software was perfect the
> first time out but then I'd be out of a job. And yes, I get just as
> frustrated with Citrix as the next person, heck, I've written some
scathing
> things about them and I stand by all that but I also believe in assigning
> blame properly. I also applaude Citrix for at least making the attempt to
> fix this problem. I will tell you this right now, if they hadn't come out
> with this UPD, we all would be complaining that they hadn't even made the
> attempt. You know how I know? Because it's all over the boards, the
list,
> newsgroups, meetings, etc. WE'VE ALL COMPLAINED THAT CITRIX ISN'T DOING
> ENOUGH and then they try and they get flogged for it.
>
>
>
> Now on the hotfix thing, yea, I completely agree get it right the first
> time. God those first 4 or 5 hotfixes that changed your XML port,
> brilliant!!! I've raked them over the coals for that many times and until
> they get it right I'll keep doing it.
>
>
>
> And if you don't like what they are doing or how their products are
turning
> out, Provision Networks, Ericom, etc are all out there. If your seriously
> that unhappy with Citrix, then I'll be more than happy to help you move
away
> from them. :)
>
>
>
> Jeff Pitsch
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>
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> Get support from the experts at your business
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>
>
>
>
> On 8/15/06, Steve Greenberg <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> The mirrored/backward print issue is a known problem with EMF style
printing
> in some percentage of environments. This is why Tricerat and ThinPrint
> abandoned EMF in their product designs some time ago. Unfortunately, if
the
> problems are not readily resolved, the best solution IS a third party
tool.
> Frustrating yes, but this is the simply the way it is....
>
>
>
> Steve Greenberg
>
> Thin Client Computing
>
> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
>
> Scottsdale, AZ 85262
>
> (602) 432-8649
>
> www.thinclient.net
>
> steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
>
> Of Adam Granatella
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:53 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
>
>
>
> Not hatred, frustration. Citrix touts their printing in PS4.0 is so
vastly
> improved. UPD, works every time. Wrong. Printing is mirrored and
> backwards. Known issue, here's a hotfix, on the client side, released in
a
> buggy client that creates new issues. CPSVC.exe leaks 3Mb of memory for
> every user that logs on and prints. Private hotfix, install it and
> immediately starts crashing the spooler. 020 hotfix fixes it. 3 days
> later, so does 033. 2 months later, so does 061. A week later, so does
> 069. Oh, but the installation of any of these hotfixes also randomly puts
> servers into a state where they stop auto-creating printers. The fix?
> Restart CPSVC. Oh yeah, but also a new bug. 5 minutes after you restart
> CPSVC, auto created printers vanish. The fix? 2-4 more weeks. Or just
log
> off your users.
>
>
>
> I mean, really. This is supposed to be acceptable? I know, pay some
other
> company a whole slew of money to fix what Citrix has been advertising as
> "vastly improved printing" for the last few years.
>
>
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like Citrix and I'm still excited about the things
it
> brings to the table, but chasing around this printing problem for the last
5
>
> months has been ridiculous. And yes, I've checked my drivers, etc. etc.
> etc. I realize there are plenty of you who have had no issues at all, so
if
> you don't believe me, send me a fax number and I'll fax over a mirrored
and
> backwards printed out copy of the admin guide for you. :)
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Jeff Pitsch
> Sent: Tue 8/15/2006 4:28 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
>
> Wow such hatred. I'm curious, what piece of software do you have that
> doesn't have bugs? Seriously? Name one.
>
> On 8/15/06, Adam Granatella <granatella.adam@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> From <http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110471 >
> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110471:
>
>
>
> 21. The Citrix Print Manager service may become unresponsive. When this
> happens, printers fail to autocreate.
>
>
>
> (The solution to this problem is, of course, to restart the Citrix Print
> Manager service)
>
>
>
>
>
> Then this gem...
>
>
>
> From < <http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110830>
> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110830>
> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110830:
>
>
>
> Symptoms
>
> Autocreated client printers are deleted five minutes after the Citrix
Print
> Manager Service is restarted.
>
> Thanks a lot Citrix, you jackasses!!!
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: <mailto:
> <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of M
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:17 AM
>
>
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
>
>
>
>
> Well spotted.
>
>
>
> Here are some articles to go with it
>
>
>
> http://support.citrix.com/kb/entry.jspa?entryID=10757
>
> http://support.citrix.com/kb/entry.jspa?entryID=10761
>
> http://support.citrix.com/kb/entry.jspa?entryID=10765
>
>
>
> M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Jeff <mailto:jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx> Pitsch
>
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:31 PM
>
> Subject: [THIN] HRP2 is out
>
>
>
>
> HRP2 is out, well, close since the download isn't linked yet but here is
the
>
> link: http://support.citrix.com/kb/entry.jspa?entryID=10769
>
>
>
> Jeff Pitsch
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>
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