[THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
- From: "Adam Granatella" <granatella.adam@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:08:54 -0500
Sure it's similar. There's still native drivers, third party drivers,
printer mappings, and the UPD that doesn't work right. Sounds similar
to me :)
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 1:21 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
actually your wrong. By Citrix's versioning this is UPDv3. Each
release was NOT a new version of UPD. UPDv1 was like FR1. UPDv2 was
FR3. PS4 was UPDv3. of course PS4 is a completely new print
infrastructure so in reality this version 1. You cannot say that this
new UPD has any similarity to the previous version.
Jeff
On 8/16/06, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> For the most part, I agree. However, the UPD is version 6.0 now not
1.0.
> (Each of the XP FR versions was different, then PS 3, then PS4, the
> PS4 + Hotfixes/Rollup2). I'm surprised that Citrix didn't buy the
> technology from Tricerat or Thinprint. Somehow that would have made
sense.
>
>
>
> Yes, printing and profiles problems are not Citrix's doing. But for a
> successful Presentation Server deployment printing and profiles has to
work.
> It may not be Citrix's doing, but they have to deal with it somehow.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:50 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
>
>
>
> Again, I will argue that at least Citrix is TRYING. yes it's
> frustrating but what has MS done to fix THEIR PROBLEM. Printing is
> NOT A CITRIX PROBLEM. People get so hung up on blaming Citrix for
> this and they have done it for years when in the end it's not their
> problem. The UPD printing is a 1.0 product and is going to have
> problems, so did thinprint, tricerat, provision, etc etc etc. I wish
> every piece of software was perfect the first time out but then I'd be
> out of a job. And yes, I get just as frustrated with Citrix as the
> next person, heck, I've written some scathing things about them and I
> stand by all that but I also believe in assigning blame properly. I
> also applaude Citrix for at least making the attempt to fix this
> problem. I will tell you this right now, if they hadn't come out with
> this UPD, we all would be complaining that they hadn't even made the
> attempt. You know how I know? Because it's all over the boards, the
> list, newsgroups, meetings, etc. WE'VE ALL COMPLAINED THAT CITRIX
ISN'T DOING ENOUGH and then they try and they get flogged for it.
>
>
>
> Now on the hotfix thing, yea, I completely agree get it right the
> first time. God those first 4 or 5 hotfixes that changed your XML
> port, brilliant!!! I've raked them over the coals for that many times
> and until they get it right I'll keep doing it.
>
>
>
> And if you don't like what they are doing or how their products are
> turning out, Provision Networks, Ericom, etc are all out there. If
> your seriously that unhappy with Citrix, then I'll be more than happy
> to help you move away from them. :)
>
>
>
> Jeff Pitsch
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>
> Forums not enough?
> Get support from the experts at your business
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>
>
>
>
> On 8/15/06, Steve Greenberg <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> The mirrored/backward print issue is a known problem with EMF style
> printing in some percentage of environments. This is why Tricerat and
> ThinPrint abandoned EMF in their product designs some time ago.
> Unfortunately, if the problems are not readily resolved, the best
solution IS a third party tool.
> Frustrating yes, but this is the simply the way it is....
>
>
>
> Steve Greenberg
>
> Thin Client Computing
>
> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
>
> Scottsdale, AZ 85262
>
> (602) 432-8649
>
> www.thinclient.net
>
> steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
>
> Of Adam Granatella
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:53 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
>
>
>
> Not hatred, frustration. Citrix touts their printing in PS4.0 is so
> vastly improved. UPD, works every time. Wrong. Printing is mirrored
> and backwards. Known issue, here's a hotfix, on the client side,
> released in a buggy client that creates new issues. CPSVC.exe leaks
> 3Mb of memory for every user that logs on and prints. Private hotfix,
> install it and immediately starts crashing the spooler. 020 hotfix
> fixes it. 3 days later, so does 033. 2 months later, so does 061. A
> week later, so does 069. Oh, but the installation of any of these
> hotfixes also randomly puts servers into a state where they stop
auto-creating printers. The fix?
> Restart CPSVC. Oh yeah, but also a new bug. 5 minutes after you
> restart CPSVC, auto created printers vanish. The fix? 2-4 more
> weeks. Or just log off your users.
>
>
>
> I mean, really. This is supposed to be acceptable? I know, pay some
> other company a whole slew of money to fix what Citrix has been
> advertising as "vastly improved printing" for the last few years.
>
>
>
> Don't get me wrong, I like Citrix and I'm still excited about the
> things it brings to the table, but chasing around this printing
> problem for the last 5
>
> months has been ridiculous. And yes, I've checked my drivers, etc.
etc.
> etc. I realize there are plenty of you who have had no issues at all,
> so if you don't believe me, send me a fax number and I'll fax over a
> mirrored and backwards printed out copy of the admin guide for you.
> :)
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Jeff Pitsch
> Sent: Tue 8/15/2006 4:28 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
>
> Wow such hatred. I'm curious, what piece of software do you have that
> doesn't have bugs? Seriously? Name one.
>
> On 8/15/06, Adam Granatella <granatella.adam@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> From <http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110471 >
> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110471:
>
>
>
> 21. The Citrix Print Manager service may become unresponsive. When
> this happens, printers fail to autocreate.
>
>
>
> (The solution to this problem is, of course, to restart the Citrix
> Print Manager service)
>
>
>
>
>
> Then this gem...
>
>
>
> From < <http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110830>
> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110830>
> http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX110830:
>
>
>
> Symptoms
>
> Autocreated client printers are deleted five minutes after the Citrix
> Print Manager Service is restarted.
>
> Thanks a lot Citrix, you jackasses!!!
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: <mailto:
> <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of M
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:17 AM
>
>
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: HRP2 is out
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>
>
>
> Well spotted.
>
>
>
> Here are some articles to go with it
>
>
>
> http://support.citrix.com/kb/entry.jspa?entryID=10757
>
> http://support.citrix.com/kb/entry.jspa?entryID=10761
>
> http://support.citrix.com/kb/entry.jspa?entryID=10765
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>
>
> M
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: Jeff <mailto:jepitsch@xxxxxxxxx> Pitsch
>
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:31 PM
>
> Subject: [THIN] HRP2 is out
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>
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> HRP2 is out, well, close since the download isn't linked yet but here
> is the
>
> link: http://support.citrix.com/kb/entry.jspa?entryID=10769
>
>
>
> Jeff Pitsch
> Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server
>
> Forums not enough?
> Get support from the experts at your business
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