[THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next Version of Terminal Services
- From: "Douglas A. Brown" <dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:49:56 -0400
I agree.
It is like Oracle. How many of you are like, "Let's get Oracle for or DS?"
Not many of you. Why? Because it is top tier... we go with SQL Server because
it is good enough and then some... I think this is what will happen to Citrix.
PS7 (by the time) will be for the Enterprise and TS will be for the rest of
us. I ask you, how many TRUE enterprise deployments do you have? Most are
small deployments in an enterprise?
But, long live Citrix!
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
DABCC, Inc.
Phone: (954) 778-9558
Fax: (248) 479-0621
E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
Web: http://www.dabcc.com <http://www.dabcc.com/>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Cláudio Rodrigues
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:28 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next Version of
Terminal Services
These other products (mine included) are NOT targeting the same market as
Citrix. That is the reason why they have not taken market share from Citrix.
The top of the pyramid will always use Citrix (for one reason or another like
too much hassle to get rid of it).
Many of the smaller players are taking the bottom/middle of the pyramid. And I
am a living proof of that. :-)
Cláudio Rodrigues
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Terminal Services
http://www.terminal-services.net <http://www.terminal-services.net> , a 2X
Company.
http://www.2x.com <http://www.2x.com> .
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Steve Greenberg
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:14 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next Version of
Terminal Services
Yes, this is where it gets tricky. These other products are not free, but cost
a lot less than Citrix and yet have not taken market share from Citrix.
One thing worth noting- funny how we consider TS "free", just another indicator
of the genius of Bill Gates!!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Douglas A. Brown
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:29 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next Version of
Terminal Services
Steve, I agree but they are not free! TS would be free. If we were forced
to buy TS then Citrix would still and always be a must have.
But, I'm agreeing, Citrix is a must have in many cases.
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
DABCC, Inc.
Phone: (954) 778-9558
Fax: (248) 479-0621
E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
Web: http://www.dabcc.com <http://www.dabcc.com/>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steve Greenberg
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:47 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next Version of
Terminal Services
Doug,
Great points! The other thing to consider is that there are two or three other
products out already that add seamless and or published apps to TS and they
have not hurt Citrix to date.........
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Douglas A. Brown
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:55 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next Version of
Terminal Services
I agree with you Steve! Yah, the new TS stuff is very impressive and it will
cut in to some of the business Citrix picks as some customers will say, "Is TS
good enough?"
But, some want a product that will completely round out the TS experience and
supply killer management, security and control around the protocol. This is
where Citrix comes in to the picture. I think it will be like an Oracle deal,
I mean, people buy Oracle because they NEED the best but they settle for MS SQL
because it is good enough. (Until SQL 2005!)
I also agree with Steve's comments about some of this stuff shipping in 2007
and some of it is going to be further down the road. As we have always said,
Citrix is years ahead of Microsoft so it will be interesting what Presentation
Server will be doing in 2007 and beyond. But then it comes back to the
question, "Do we need that or not, is TS good enough to supply us remote access
and access to applications that are bandwidth intensive?" This is the
important question and this cannot be answered until 2007.
Of course, you must not just look at Microsoft for competition to Citrix. What
about the Blade PC, VMware Ace and/or SoftGrid applications? They all cut in
to the value-add that SBC brings to you. I guess it is time to reassess the
market, or will be in 2007.... ;)
DB
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
DABCC, Inc.
Phone: (954) 778-9558
Fax: (248) 479-0621
E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
Web: http://www.dabcc.com <http://www.dabcc.com/>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steve Greenberg
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:11 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next Version of
Terminal Services
> Buh bye Citrix
I don't necessarily agree, Citrix is a lot more than publish apps. I haven't
seen the video, but I suspect that MS's version has a number of limitations
with things such as client version supported. Also, if this is a 2007 product
then I don't expect Citrix's customer base to wait until then, and, Citirx is
not sitting still !!!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Bbeck
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:02 AM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next Version of
Terminal Services
Buh bye Citrix
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Kenzig Kenzig.com <mailto:jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx>
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: [THIN] Re: Fwd: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next
Version of Terminal Services
Note the guy claims that the next version of windows server (vista or
whatever) WILL have applications remoting (published applications)AND https
tunneling (a la web interface)
JK
FYI
JK
Subject: DABCC NEWS FLASH - Microsoft Video on next Version of
Terminal Services
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:19:45 -0400
* * DABCC NEWS FLASH * *
Microsoft shows off the next version of Terminal
Services!
A MUST SEE
09/21/2005 -
Microsoft released a killer video that shows off the
next version of Terminal Services!! Check out this video interview with Tad
Brockway, Microsoft's Terminal Services Group Program Manager. In this video,
Tad discusses what Terminal Services is and why you might want to use it. He
even talks a bit about Longhorn's Remote Programs (Project RAIL, Remote
Application Integrated Locally) and the new HTTPS Gateway for RDP.
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