[THIN] Re: Fw: Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?
- From: "BRUTON, Malcolm, FM" <Malcolm.BRUTON@xxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:18:03 -0000
And this is exactly why we moved to DL385's away from 360's. We found that
even DL 360's were causing enough power and air con problems as it was, let
alone going to blades.
Malcolm
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Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: 21 December 2005 23:37
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Fw: Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?
Jeremy,
Great points. One thing that is getting overlooked by a lot of customers is
the fact that the power utilization and cooling requirements of the newer
generations of blade often exceed what data centers designed for. It is
reaching the point where a single chassis might need 5000 watts which is as
much or more than a whole rack used to be!! On top of powering it, you also
need to cool it....!!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
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Of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:05 AM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Fw: Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?
Yes...very powerful with all its policy, workload, and task management
stuff.
Anyway...when you ask an opinionated group like ours (or just me) about
which Tier 1 blade offering is better, you'll never get a one sided answer.
I love the IBM ones just like Jim loves the HP ones.
And people like myself and Steve are very lucky to have the opportunity to
play with (I mean deploy) solutions from different Tier 1 vendors. And we
build our opinions based on that.
But back to the question that started the thread....when you are deciding on
rack mount servers v blades, you need to assess rack space, power
requirements, ROI (as far as the blade centre is concerned), remote
management, cable management, etc, etc.
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Integrated Technology Services &
Cerulean
IBM Australia
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth WA 6005
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01:13 Citrix vs. HP DL360? PM
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thin
I can see your point of view. There is one significant development though
which is that HP bought RLX. If you were not aware, the current HP and IBM
blade systems and software are toys compared to what RLX was shipping years
ago. Now that HP has those tools in their arsenal, you may just see a big
sea change occur happening soon..........
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
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Of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:07 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Fw: Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?
I'm speaking from an Integrators point of view. System Admin may be
different. From an overall management point of view...it probably makes no
difference. And HP SIM is very nice indeed. I've always been a fan. Director
does the same stuff...just differently.
I guess that from a new deployment point of view from when you first unpack
them to a point when you have an OS on the first blade, I just prefer the
IBM's. Everything you need is in the box and the remote control stuff is
good.
From the HP point of view, I found this to be quite the opposite. I found
the Java console for the Advanced iLO very frustrating. I got an e-mail from
HP back in Feb saying that it was a know issue with no resolution date. It
could take up to 10 minutes to get the mice synchronised. But if M says that
it's been addressed, then that's great.
As I said, it just depends on how you work, and what your preference is.
From a Citrix point of view, you also need to understand the bigger picture
as the alliance between IBM, VMware and Citrix grows, and where they are
going with Virtualisation. Sure...I bet HP will go there too, but which
hardware vendor will be the main player and come up with a better overall
strategy? Of course I'm setting myself up here to see who bites :) Probably
Jim in his underware.
Before making the investment, I urge you to go and take a look at both
systems running at your local HP and IBM offices. You can then compare the
features, see the remote management working, etc. Not meaning to harp on
about Remote Management. But that sort of stuff is important to me.
"M"
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Re: [THIN] Re: IBM blades for
Citrix vs. HP DL360?
Id love to know what issues you had Jeremy.
Mind emailing them offlist ?
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From: "Jeremy Saunders" <jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:53 PM
Subject: [THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?
> Yes...that ESX stuff with VMotion is the way to go. It rocks! I guess
> I
had
> a bad experience with the HP blade deployment I did back in January of
this
> year, and a great experience with the IBM blade deployment I did in
August.
>
>
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> "Jim Kenzig
> http://ThinHelp.c
> om"
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> Please respond to
> thin
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> Agreed... HP Blades and their management kick the sh*t out of any of
> the other ones. The altiris deployment console makes imaging a breeze.
> The Ilo rocks! If
I
> were you I would buy a blade
> center with a huge amount of storage array, buy a couple copies of
vmware
> esx with vmotion and P2V your existing
> DL380's and have a heavenly environment where you can never leave your
desk
> to manage all your systems.
> I've reached that nirvana and there is no turning back! If my company
> didn't make me come in I could stay at home and still manage my entire
> Center and rarely have to walk in the room.
>
> Jim
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: M <mathras@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:19:55 PM
> Subject: [THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?
>
>
> I have to disagree with you about your HP Blade comments.I had to
> smile when you suggested they were difficult to work with.
>
> HP Blades are a doddle and not difficult to work with at all. I put in
> a brand new rack with Fault Tolerant 3 phase power supplies, 5
> enclosures. 40 blades and 10 Copper Gigabit Interconnect cards and
> cabled in one day. I retreated to my desk where i had operating
> systems up and running
> in approx 1 hr.
> Feet up eating my first Bic Mac and planning my ESX server takeover.
>
> About the iLO ... The early versions of the iLo were poor but since
version
> 1.75 the iLo has improved and the mouse sync issues are long gone. The
iLos
> also can be scripted too.
> You can also connect the HP blades to KVM switches.
>
> Cabling. Look behind most server racks and the cabling is often a dogs
> dinner. The cabling for the HP Blades/Scalable /Mini Bus Bars is so
simple
> and well laid out its untrue.
>
> If your using something like Altiris/RDP how many times are you going
> to visit the console anyway ? In fact how may server admins even visit
> the server console anymore anyway? Ive estimated that in the last
> month ive used an iLO three times. Once
due
> a
> server not booting via PXE properly, once to change the name of an
> Enclosure and once to remove Citrix from a server after a script
> refused to.
>
> The iLo floppy and CD options are pretty good as well plus they worked
> first time for me without having to resort to documentation and thats
> a bonus
in
> my book.
>
> As to hardware failures in nearly two years of Blade use we have had
> one hard disk fail, one psu die and one BBWC fail. Thats a better
> record than our S*n servers that sit opposite.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Saunders" <jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:41 PM
> Subject: [THIN] Re: IBM blades for Citrix vs. HP DL360?
>
>
> Interesting view James.
>
> Even though I work for IBM, we also deploy HP, Dell, etc. We are part
> of the service arm. I am infact a HP ASE. My experience has found that
> the
HP
> blades are difficult to work with. The Java interface to the Advanced
> iLO is poor (mouse sync is a known issue), etc.
>
> The IBMs also have build in Floppy, CD and USB, and a KVM switch. The
> method to achieve this through the HPs always leaves me very
> frustrated.
>
> People tend to buy the HP blades due to the fact that they are a HP
house,
> and are more interested in sticking with HP. But if I get a chance to
> demonstrate the two, customers then choose IBM.
>
> I think it all comes down to preferences and peoples aliances.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jeremy Saunders
> Senior Technical Specialist
>
> Integrated Technology Services &
> Cerulean
> IBM Australia
> Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
> West Perth WA 6005
>
> Visit us at
> http://www.ibm.com/services/au/its
>
> P: +61 8 9261 8412 F: +61 8 9261 8486
> M: TBA E-mail:
> jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
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>
>
> vs. HP DL360?
>
> Anyone want to chime in with their 2 cents on the IBM blade vs the HP
> DL360? We're currently using the DL360s but looking at the
> IBMs...just wondering if anyone had any stories to tell.
>
> Thanks!
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