I guess it is quite likely that Microsoft simply gave them the bytes to change. either way, I understand that Microsoft have pretty much endorsed the Log*in guys work and it is accepted across the board that it is fine to use the exe. besides which, we're using it because of bloated microsoft products anyway! revolution comrades -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Angus Macdonald Sent: 24 November 2005 12:21 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Flex Profiles Kit - License Infringement? I thought they'd found the relevant areas using a text search, since all they were doing was looking for a .dll filename and changing it. Does that count as disassembly or reverse-engineering? -----Original Message----- From: Lilley, Brian [mailto:brian.lilley@xxxxxxxx] Sent: 24 November 2005 11:33 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Flex Profiles Kit - License Infringement? well, I think the argument MS would have is that you must have reverse engineered machinecode to understand where one needed to poke the bytes??! unless of course, the dudes at Log*in are very very lucky. in which case I am going to ask them for some Lotto numbers. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tom Howarth Sent: 24 November 2005 11:29 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Flex Profiles Kit - License Infringement? I'm not a Coder but my veiw s on reverse engineering is to faithfully imitate a product with the express desire to replicate all functions and pass it off as your own work. (not the case here as the file is only modified and all licenses are references and noted) Decomplication - surely this means returning the product to raw code. (definaltely not the case here) Disassembly ( I thought that was only done to Johny 5) ;-) how different is this modifcation by a HEX editor to what you can do with Spy++ etc On 24/11/05, Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Well - that'd be my line - and the closest I could see was > > 4. LIMITATIONS ON REVERSE ENGINEERING, DECOMPILATION, AND DISASSEMBLY. > You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software, except > and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by > applicable law notwithstanding this limitation. > > But, I'd argue that the modification with a hex editor in the context of the > flex tool's use is neither reverse engineering, decompliation or > disassembly... > > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Tom Howarth > Sent: 24 November 2005 10:50 > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: Flex Profiles Kit - License Infringement? > > My thoughts are that the ORK is a free download and therefore distributable, > however the issue is whether the editing of the file with the HEX editor > causes an infringment. But to be honest I have not read the EULA in detail. > > On 24/11/05, Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > The flex profile kit utilises code from the Office Resource kit - > > which is modified using a hex editor - all fine and dandy open and > > above board and its mentioned in the doco. > > > > Theres been an interesting debate today in the office as to whether > > that makes the deployment of the tool legal - as the kit ultimately > > relies on a modified binary. > > > > Anyone know/have thoughts on this? > > > > Tia. > > > > ---------------------------------- > > Andrew Wood > > Sunderland > > United Kingdom > > > > > > > -- > Tom at home > ************************************************ > For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode > use the below link: > //www.freelists.org/list/thin > ************************************************ > > ************************************************ > For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or > set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: > //www.freelists.org/list/thin > ************************************************ > -- Tom at home ************************************************ For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: //www.freelists.org/list/thin ************************************************ ============================================================================ == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================ == ************************************************ For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: //www.freelists.org/list/thin ************************************************ ************************************************ For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: //www.freelists.org/list/thin ************************************************ ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================== ************************************************ For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: //www.freelists.org/list/thin ************************************************