[THIN] Re: Flex Profiles Kit - License Infringement?

  • From: Tom Howarth <tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:40:08 +0000

my typing & grammar is seriously crocked today, I must need more caffine

On 24/11/05, Tom Howarth <tom.howarth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> point taken, however they are not attempted to pass of the work as
> their own and have acknowledged all copyrights.
>
> On 24/11/05, Lilley, Brian <brian.lilley@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > well, I think the argument MS would have is that you must have reverse 
> > engineered machinecode to understand where one needed to poke the bytes??!  
> > unless of course, the dudes at Log*in are very very lucky. in which case I 
> > am going to ask them for some Lotto numbers.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Tom Howarth
> > Sent: 24 November 2005 11:29
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: Flex Profiles Kit - License Infringement?
> >
> >
> > I'm not a Coder but my veiw s
> >
> > on reverse engineering is to faithfully imitate a product with the
> > express desire to replicate all functions and pass it off as your own
> > work. (not the case here as the file is only modified and all licenses
> > are references and noted)
> >
> > Decomplication - surely this means returning the product to raw code.
> > (definaltely not the case here)
> >
> > Disassembly ( I thought that was only done to Johny 5) ;-)
> >
> > how different is this modifcation by a HEX editor to what you can do
> > with Spy++ etc
> >
> >
> > On 24/11/05, Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Well - that'd be my line - and the closest I could see was
> > >
> > > 4.      LIMITATIONS ON REVERSE ENGINEERING, DECOMPILATION, AND 
> > > DISASSEMBLY.
> > > You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software, 
> > > except
> > > and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by
> > > applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.
> > >
> > > But, I'd argue that the modification with a hex editor in the context of 
> > > the
> > > flex tool's use is neither reverse engineering, decompliation or
> > > disassembly...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> > > Behalf
> > > Of Tom Howarth
> > > Sent: 24 November 2005 10:50
> > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [THIN] Re: Flex Profiles Kit - License Infringement?
> > >
> > > My thoughts are that the ORK is a free download and therefore 
> > > distributable,
> > > however the issue is whether the editing of the file with the HEX editor
> > > causes an infringment. But to be honest I have not read the EULA in 
> > > detail.
> > >
> > > On 24/11/05, Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The flex profile kit utilises code from the Office Resource kit -
> > > > which is modified using a hex editor - all fine and dandy open and
> > > > above board and its mentioned in the doco.
> > > >
> > > > Theres been an interesting debate today in the office as to whether
> > > > that makes the deployment of the tool legal - as the kit ultimately
> > > > relies on a modified binary.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know/have thoughts on this?
> > > >
> > > > Tia.
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------
> > > > Andrew Wood
> > > > Sunderland
> > > > United Kingdom
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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