If you're an ASP, you should also look at the Service Provide Licence Agreement (SPLA). This enables you to pay a rental cost per user per month (Or possibly per processor - your choice). It's a little difficult to get pricing because there are very feew companies who resell this for Microsoft. To give you an idea, in the UK an Excahgne SAL (equivalent to a CAL) is £2.33/month - ?about 3$? Nick _____ From: Jason Patten [mailto:pattenj@xxxxxxxx] Sent: 28 June 2004 13:53 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: ECL vs. Per device or per user I was afraid of something like that, but I wasn't sure. The book I saw said they cant be "employees" of your company. And as it is, we can easily control WHO gets a username but not easily control What device they use since they are all remote locations. Aside from the 10 or so people in our company who are here at the office, everyone else is just coming in from the internet. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Thomas [mailto:jeremy.thomas@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:50 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: ECL vs. Per device or per user I could be wrong, but... As I understand it, external licenses can only be used if you don't know who is connecting, like if you provided a Terminal Server with Demo software through a website where users can run the software anonimously. As I don't think you're in that situation, I don't think you can use ECL licenses. Regards, J _____ From: Jason Patten [mailto:pattenj@xxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday 28 June 2004 14:44 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] ECL vs. Per device or per user Question for the group. I have been reading up on licenses and wondering if the External Connecter Licenses would be a good idea for us. We are an ASP, and it is very difficult for us to keep up with how many devices our customers connect to our system. Till now We have been on NT4 o we have kept up best we could but not worried too much about it. And we havent restricted how many users each location that subscribes to our services uses. That means we have about 2800 usernames in use right now with about 350 concurrent at peak times. Based off that I was thinking that ECL might be the way to go for us. I understand that they ECL cannot be given to employees of our company, but any idea if they would work with our setup? I am trying to get all this straight so I can have a full implementation plan for Windows 2003 ready to go when asked. Jason 670,616,629 mph. Its not just a good idea, its the law.