[THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna" ofVirtualization
- From: "Douglas A. Brown" <dbrown@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:56:52 -0400
yes, you are correct.. I was around and I remember all that... I had
a compuserv account and I ran a BBS off a 1200 baud modem too. Funny
how slow that is today, you know...
and I agree there was a lot of p0rn on this sites back then but I just
don't agree that is why people use them. Yes, there are a lot of people
that are interested in that back then but I think most people that knew
about and have computers and logged in to those sites were computer guys
and the other was just a perk.. (LOL)... I mean, it was very expensive
in those days... right? go to the store and buy a mag vs. buying a 5k
pc...
Today it is different..
But, Games is, IMHO, what moved the hardware and software forward like
none other....
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
Citrix Technology Professional
DABCC, Inc.
Phone: (954) 778-9558
Fax: (941) 827-9073
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:35 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna"
ofVirtualization
Doug were you around when it was Arpanet and then the usenet newsgroups
were first being created. I can tell you that the first public ones
were not gaming ones. I think there were about 100 alt.erotica ones. A
lot of the ascii pictures that were first animated had nothiing to do
with gaming. I ran a bbs back in the early 80's. I had thousands of
files, "all types" with lots of games also. I know what mostly got
downloaded.
Jim
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Douglas Brown <dbrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Oh Jim... I think there are support groups for this... We are here for
you... ;)
On 6/6/08 3:38 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jim, you seem to know an awful lot about the topic.... J
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net <www.thinclient.net>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:23 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna"
ofVirtualization
Lol.
Well you know it is because of P-O-R-N that the computer
industry has evolved like it did. Chatting, Video, Pictures, virtual
worlds, games, all would not be where they are now had it not been for
it and it IS documented. Think about it Things like virtual girl existed
long before second life. The only thing video was used for was that,
the most images I can remember being out there even when there were just
BBS's were you got it.
Jim
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Steve Greenberg <
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dana Carvey said to Mark and Wes during his stand up routine,
"So what is this XEN Desktop thing? I get my desktop, now what the hell
do I do? Ok (imitating a Nerd), type P-O-R-N!!!"
Think about the Citrix message a "new desktop computer every
time you boot up"... think about who needs that exactly??
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net>
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:50 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna"
ofVirtualization
And? What is it?
On 6/6/08 2:48 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <
http://steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Oh crap, I just realized what the real killer app is for
VDI......
Dana Carvey nailed it at SYNERGY, seemed like a joke but I
think it is right on the money !
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85266
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net> <
www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net> >
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <http://steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
http://thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Douglas Brown
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:32 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <http://thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna"
ofVirtualization
I agree but only if they don't burry it in XenApp Plat or
XenDesktop Plat. It needs to be a separate product for people who might
not want to use either XenApp or XenDesktop....
On 6/6/08 9:58 AM, "Joe Shonk" <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx <
http://joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Why also discuss PVS and if it should be part of XenApp Platinum
( I'm willing to give up Edgesight and Password Manager in exchange) and
should Citrix fix their products or spend their money adding new
features.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
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Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 4:52 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <http://thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: Doug Brown thinks Citrix is the "Madonna"
ofVirtualization
Speaking of Joe this is one of my favorite picturess I took from
Synergy This is during Dougs Geek Speak session and is a picture of the
front row.
http://picasaweb.google.com/jkenzig/CitrixGeekSpeakCTP/photo#52032010390
49314546
From left to right Joe is the one Hovering standing next to Brad
Stephens, who is Next to Mark Templeton who is next to Shawn Bass (who
had just finished his VDI talk) Barry Flanagan, Jeroen Van De Kamp and
Brian Madden are in there also. Now use the right arrow and click over
2 pictures and see how fast Brian catches Marks ear. Click 2 more to the
right and there is Grumpy Doug. And here is one of Steve, Joe and Doug
picking apart VDI at the CTP dinner
http://picasaweb.google.com/jkenzig/CitrixGeekSpeakCTP/photo#52032011764
88268290
Jim
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Steve Greenberg <
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <http://steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
This is a long standing debate between Joe and I . To me VDI,
and most hypervisor virtualizations for that matter, are just not
efficient enough. For applications that require remoting and certain
kinds of processing I am sure there is a good match, i.e. stock traders,
CAD engineers working at a distance, etc.
The case we are pondering more and more is where remoting is
needed but the requirements to get the application set working in TS are
highly complicated. These may not be highly specialized apps, but apps
that just don't play well in TS. We have made some incredibly difficult
apps work together on TS, but in the end you have a very complicated
system that is hard to upgrade and change. So for certain organizations
that have the skills to manage a PC but not a complex TS environment,
VDI starts to become attractive.
One of our Bri-Forum sessions is called "Y-VDI" in which we will
outline all the use cases we can think of that support VDI.
My main issues with VDI are lack of efficiency, i.e. a really
big ass server might support 15-20 users, that completely sucks!!
--
Jim Kenzig
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server Presentation and Hosted Desktop
Virtualization
Citrix Technology Professional
Blog: http://www.techblink.com
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