[THIN] Re: Disconnects

  • From: "JOHN CARVER" <jcarver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:56:23 -0700

Folks
I'm having the same issue! I'm in Phoenix as well and I think I have narrowed 
the users who are being effected down to a link coming out of Wisconsin. This 
has been going on for a couple of weeks and one of our main providers is AT&T.

>>> wsuderman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 07/16/03 02:14PM >>>
Greg,

We are having a very similar issue here in phoenix...
Our remote locations through out he southwest are dropping connections about
every 10- 30 min.  for the remote locations we use AT&T as well as Quest.
Its driving me crazy...  Our corporate link is Air band.  
I can't seem to track down the problem.  These links have been running for
2+ years and this is the first time we have had a consistent problem like
this.
I have adjusted the icakeepaliveinterval down and the tcpmaxdataretransmit
up and that seemed to help.  Went from a 30sec connect to the 10-30 min
connect.

If anyone has any additional input, any at all I would be most grateful...

Wes

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [SMTP:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
        Sent:   Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:57 AM
        To:     thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Subject:        [THIN] Re: Disconnects

        Might be experiencing a DoS.  Contact AT&T, they should be able to
        monitor, find the culprits, and take action for you.

        Respectfully,


        Lucas W. Boyken
        Computer Systems Associates
        Account Manager / Technical Representative
        lboyken@xxxxxxxxx 
        Company Phone:  800.222.7601
        Office Phone:  515.332.2751
        Fax:  515.332.5687


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Greg Reese [mailto:GReese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
        Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:47 AM
        To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Subject: [THIN] Re: Disconnects


        I may have to give that a try.  I would like to have a packeteer
here
        permanently but they are too expensive.

        I have been watching the traffic monitor on my firewall and I
noticed
        that there are a lot of denied inbound ping and dns connections
about
        every five to ten minutes.  A lot as in a hundred or so.

        I wonder if those might be momentarily freezing my internet
connection
        causing a disconnect.

        Greg

        -----Original Message-----
        From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On 
        Behalf Of Randy Hunt
        Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:18 AM
        To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Subject: [THIN] Re: Disconnects


        Greg,
        One thing I might add to the QoS solution is to evaluate a Packeteer
        PacketShaper.  This box can give you the visibility you need to help
        identify and possibly fix your WAN Citrix problems (you get
visibility
        on how the client is connecting, performing, and at what speed they
        connect).  Most of the time it isn't ICA, but rather other
applications
        competing for the bandwidth.  Evaluations are free, so you might as
well
        give it a try, if not to only see what's going on.  Also, you won't
have
        to change ISP's in order to do this and you do not need a box at
both
        ends.  Only on the side where the Citrix Server Farm is located.
Check
        it out at www.packeteer.com 

        Best regards,
        Randy

        -----Original Message-----
        From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On 
        Behalf Of Lucas Boyken
        Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:06 AM
        To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Subject: [THIN] Re: Disconnects


        Greg,

        Look at your connection to the internet both at the provider side
        (citrix server) and client side.  Are all your users that are having
        problems going through the same provider?  Has anything changed as
far
        as your connection to the INet goes with the Citrix server?  Have
you
        run any tests are logging software to track the performance on both
        ends?  These are some things I would look into.  We have several
        customers that are expiriencing intermittant problems due to the ISP
        they have chosen.  No way around it other than working with the ISP
(not
        a great chance as they are trying to do things as cheaply as
possible)
        or go with a better QoS ISP.

        Hope this helps a little.

        Respectfully,



        Lucas W. Boyken
        Computer Systems Associates
        Account Manager / Technical Representative
        lboyken@xxxxxxxxx 
        Company Phone:  800.222.7601
        Office Phone:  515.332.2751
        Fax:  515.332.5687


        -----Original Message-----
        From: Greg Reese [mailto:GReese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
        Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:31 AM
        To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Subject: [THIN] Disconnects


        lately, anyone connecting to my citrix servers over the internet has
        been experiencing a lot of disconnects.  It happens to people
running
        WinXP, Win2000, WIn98 etc.  All clients are feeling the pain.  It
also
        happens to nFuse users, users with Program Neighborhood, and users
with
        a custom .ica file.

        It happens the same way every time, it happens to me too so I know
my
        users aren't crazy (at least not this time).  While working along
typing
        or whatever, the session just appears to freeze.  Nothing,
completely
        dead.  If I click the close button and click yes to disconnect and
then
        reconnect, I am right back where I was.  I just can't figure out why
the
        session dies in the first place.  It has been working fine for well
over
        a year.  It has just been the past month or so that it began doing
this.

        I do have TCPMAxRetranmissions and ICAKeepalives setup.  I am
running
        WIn2kSP2, MF XPa SP2/FR2.

        I have been trying everything I can think of but still nothing so
maybe
        someone can help me out with a fresh angle to attack this from.

        Thanks!

        Greg
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