[THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the difference?

From: "Ron Oglesby" <roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:36:27 -0500
Exactly. That was my point. Its all about the SLA. I haven't been
anywhere where a high failure rate was acceptable. But if it is, Then go
with the DNS piece.=20

Ron Oglesby
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Microsoft MVP, Windows Server=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: Claudio Rodrigues [mailto:crodrigues@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:35 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the difference?

Any solution will have problems. Some will have technical problems.
Some, cost problems. :-)
I know many small places that could not afford 2 servers with 2000
Advanced Server but could afford 2 running 2000 Server and in this case
DNS Round Robin, even with a 50% failure rate when one server was down,
was acceptable.
I agree and do not recommend DNS Round Robin as a load balancing
solution for TS. But technically you can use it.
Wait until I load WTSGateway in a Windows XP embedded appliance! Then
you will have the cheapest hardware load balancer in the market (shame
plugin...).

:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: May 21, 2004 2:28 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the difference?


Which I still don't get. I know people do it. I mean with ICA you can
put in (Nfuse, PN client whatever) a number of Servers. I use DNS
alias's  to point to those servers, Lets say you enter 5, Why use DNS
round robin?

For a Web server I can ALMOST see it. But not really. I mean if its just
to distribute load, then ok. Cheap way to do it but as long as you can
take a 50% failure rate when one is down then that's cool.=3D3D20

For anything TS related I would stick with some type of load balancing
even if it is WLBS. DNS round robin has too many possible problems for a
TS environment IMHO.



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Office 312.372.7188
Mobile 815.325.7618
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-----Original Message-----
From: Miguel-Guzman@xxxxxxx [mailto:Miguel-Guzman@xxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:17 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the difference?

We use DNS round robin, even for our ICA entry in DNS.  And some of our
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web
servers.

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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
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Of Claudio Rodrigues
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 1:03 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the difference?

Everyone does DNS Round Robin. They are just shy to admit in public =3D
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what
they did. :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
Sent: May 21, 2004 12:52 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the =3D3D3D
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Ok, c'mon Claudio. DNS round robin!!!!!!

LOL. Just had to do that.

Ron Oglesby
Senior Technical Architect
Microsoft MVP - Windows Server
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
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Of Claudio Rodrigues
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 11:38 AM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the =3D3D3D
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Terminal Services can do load balancing. Windows 2003 has built-in NLB
on Server. 2000 can do with Advanced Server.
It is not resource based though. Depending on the environment (Ron will
kill me after this sentence) you can even use DNS Round Robin - the
cheap-o-matic(tm) solution.
Or use WTSGateway or WTSGateway Pro.
Most people usually say Citrix has everything centralized, enterprise
features bla bla bla.
My experience tells me that when you go to BIG environments, they
already have a tool to monitor resources (TNG, Tivoli, NetIQ, etc) that
are 1000 times better than RMS (that is a piece of crap and like
Wordstar 2000 was one of the few products in history that got 1000 =
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worse
on version 2.0 than on 1.0). For deploying apps and so on these places
use something like Altiris, SMS etc, again, much better than IMS on
Citrix. So at the end these big corporations pay for MetaFrame Xpe but
at the end they would need Xpa only. So I tend to disagree Citrix has
all the corporate things built-in. It has if you are a cheapo
corporation. If you are really after the top stuff you will never use
RMS/IMS.
Can TS do everything like Citrix? Well depends on the environment. For
small companies, for sure. For medium, it depends. That is why people
like me, Ron and Brian have a job. :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of John Van Gerpen
Sent: May 20, 2004 5:32 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Citrix VS Terminal services, what's the =3D3D3D
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I administrate Windows 2000 network and Citrix Medaframe XP.  Looking =
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CO$T$ and maintenance associated with Citrix I'm considering scrapping
Citrix and going with a Terminal services RDP environment. All my
clients
are WinXP and Wyse terminals (RDP).  The only down side I know is the
load
balancing Citrix can do, and Terminal services cannot.   What do you
think
the advantages and disadvantages are between RDP & ICA?=3D3D3D3D3D20
Is Terminal services as functional as Citrix?

Thanks in advance
 John.
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