I know this is not really a thin client thing but, this is the best list I know so if you lot don't know I am bugged. Anyway we have changed, from RAS to VPN. we have a Cisco fire wall so we have the Cisco client (version 3.6.3 Rel 49) and to add a bit more protection to the laptops I have put on Mcafee Desktop fire wall 8.0. The VPN stuff work well but we are now experiencing problems when connected to your domain in the usually way i.e. when on site. Outlook is getting various network errors and can go on a slow down and some users are getting temporary network disconnection's. Has anyone had any experience with these products? I don't think it is the DT Fire wall (I am testing with this element uninstalled) Laptops Win 2000 SP4 Network is NT4