[THIN] Re: CCIA Certification
- From: "Shane A Broomhall (CCI Aust)" <ShaneB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:34:34 +1000
Hey Jeremy,
Citrix can at times be a difficult organistaion to contact. I was visiting
Fort Lauderdale in May, and as I have been to some degree involved in reviewing
the courseware for the first 2 courses for the CCIA, I had the same concern
about how often it would need to be updated. The project lead is a guy called,
Mark Carter, when I raised this with him, his view was the same as Anthonys,
that the methodologies do not change that often, the way you make something
work might, but the theory behind how you figure out what is there and what
needs to be done does not.
As Anthony also mentions this is based on CCS methodologies, CCS concentrate
their efforts on the Analysis and Design phase of a project, this encompases in
plain english,
Working out what he client has, what the want and how a Citrix solution can get
the client there.
The task then passes, hopefully to a competent reseller to make it then work.
I also understand your frustration with trying to get information out of
Citrix. I know personally several directors in Florida, but often when I ask a
question I also get silence. I believe that is part of the culture, and where
as we have laws in Aust about what an employer can do to its employees, they
don’t in the US, so at times it may be, they are not prepared to risk their
jobs.
If you want to get in touch with CE in Aust send an email to
training@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or phone 0288700800 and ask to chat to them.
Alternatively as I am teaching some of the CCIA courses drop me a line and I
will try and answer the questions for you, but bear in mind that I do not work
for Citrix.
Cheers
Shane Broomhall
shaneb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 3:23 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: CCIA Certification
Yeh...good answer. :)
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Systems Engineer
”ITS - passionate about winning”
IBM Logicalis (Integrated
Technology Services)
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth, WA 6005, AUSTRALIA
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"Anthony Barr
(AU)"
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[THIN] Re: CCIA Certification
07/09/2004 11:49
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Please respond to
thin
Jeremy,
I appreciate the feedback and I'm sure those that enforce the course
requirements will be interested in your views. I will pass your comments onto
to those concerned.
Cheers,
Anthony
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 12:12 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: CCIA Certification
Anthony,
Funny how no one at Citrix would respond to me until I posted to this forum. I
should do this more often.
You can't tell me that you use all the same methodologies and practices as you
did in FR2, given some of the new features in Presentation Server 3.0.
I certainly don't, so what does that mean?
As a product evolves and new features are added there are always better ways to
architect a solution. I want to learn more about the new ways, not the old
ones, as I will never use them in practice.
I'm sure some of the older statesman on this list will agree.
I strongly believe it is wrong and rude of Citrix to force us to complete a
certification that has out-of-date courseware, and believe that it is extremely
overpriced for what it is.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Systems Engineer
”ITS - passionate about winning”
IBM Logicalis (Integrated
Technology Services)
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth, WA 6005, AUSTRALIA
Visit us at
http://www.ibm.com/services/au/its
Phone: 132 426 Fax: 08 9261 8536
Mobile: TBA E-mail:
jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx
"Anthony Barr
(AU)"
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[THIN] Re: CCIA Certification
07/09/2004 09:14
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Please respond to
thin
Jeremy,
The Current CCIA program is built around MetaFrame XP FR2 and MetaFrame XP
Presentation Server FR3, Windows 2000 and Windows 2003.
The CCIA program is built around Methodology and Practices rather then product
specifics (this is the arena of the CCEA program) and as such is less dependent
on product versions in its targeted objectives. Very little of the CCIA
program's Practices differs between the current curriculum and Presentation
Server 3.0's specific architecture, the methodology does not change. E.g. the
procedure and tools for conducting application functional, sociability and
scalability testing is not impacted by the MetaFrame Presentation Server
release used.
We have not announced a time frame for updated courseware or exams for the CCIA
program.
With Citrix's Platform / Feature release product release strategy we release
approximately 2-3 updates a year to our product features. Development time for
specific release Methodology and Practices takes a considerable time, as we aim
to use the practical real life experience of Citrix Consulting in actual
deployments this, along with courseware / exam development prevents us from
providing quality updated CCIA components on release of new product versions.
Please see for http://www.citrix.com/site/SS/training/tests.asp for our
official position on discontinuation, retirement and other policies regarding
Citrix exams.
From a historical perspective Citrix has only had a single recertification
event, on the 1st May 2004, since the introduction of our CCA, CCEA and CCSP
certifications. Note the MetaFrame 1.8 exam continues to count towards CCA and
CCEA certification.
Regards,
Anthony Barr
Citrix Consulting
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 1:22 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] CCIA Certification
Hi All,
Has anyone completed this cert, or just the training course.
Has the courseware been updated to contain Presentation Server 3.0 information?
We/I must complete the CCIA before the end of the year to maintain our Gold
Partner status.
Please don't provide any information about the course/lab itself, as that would
be breaking the rules and considered to be cheeting.
For some reason, Citrix seem to be having difficulties confirming whether or
not the courseware is current, and I don't really want to spend the several
thousand dollars on out of dated courseware and labs.
I know this is a bit of a silly post, but please just confirm one way or the
other.
Cheers.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Systems Engineer
”ITS - passionate about winning”
IBM Logicalis (Integrated
Technology Services)
Level 2, 1060 Hay Street
West Perth, WA 6005, AUSTRALIA
Visit us at
http://www.ibm.com/services/au/its
Phone: 132 426 Fax: 08 9261 8536
Mobile: TBA E-mail:
jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx
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