We also already have a VPN solution, free (Cisco), but are evaluating this CAG, due to it's ease of use, configuration, ease for the end user, etc. _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Durbin Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:19 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: CAG Licenses Required for CSG Replacement Good point about concurrent licensing; I'd have to look at how many concurrent users we have externally at a given time. But regardless of the number, I'm not paying for VPN licenses to get CSG functionality. It's a bummer because I really like the VPN functionality, but other VPN technologies are on the table at my company. It would have been a great way to let some users start validating the VPN functionality, which *could* have ultimately been a huge VPN win for Citrix. _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Schneider, Chad M Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:31 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: CAG Licenses Required for CSG Replacement Hardware is $2495, list price, a good vendor can cut that some. We are looking to buy 2, for load balance/redundancy. We have thousands of VPN users, but only see @ 100-150 concurrent at peak times. _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:17 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: CAG Licenses Required for CSG Replacement That is a fair point, if they gave away the CSG functionality for the price of the hardware there would be a lot of shops that would be happy to move to the new platform. These users could then become VPN users in the future- point well taken....... BTW, the hardsware is $2495 and the licenses are concurrent so I doubt you would need 3500 licenses! Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Durbin Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:43 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: CAG Licenses Required for CSG Replacement That's pretty crappy. I'm still paying $3,000 for the appliance, to replace a Windows server that's running free software. I have 3500 users with access via the CSG, and obviously, there's no way I'm paying $350,000 to replace our CSG's. Too bad for Citrix, as they could potentially have gotten a foothold in our VPN space via the CSG replacement. _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:04 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: CAG Licenses Required for CSG Replacement Yes it does require licenses. It is a replacement, but not a free replacement. Once the user connects you can configure whether you give them a full VPN tunnel, hand off to WI (CSG), or kiosk mode. Any combination of these features requires a CAG concurrent license. The good news is that box performs extremely well, is wel integrated with all the CTX products. The even better news is that it is a hardened LINUX OS and not Windows pretending to be a security device! Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of techlists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:49 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] CAG Licenses Required for CSG Replacement In addition to being a SSL VPN, the CAG is being positioned as a replacement for CSG. Does anyone know if the CSG functionality requires a CAG license? Thanks, JD