[THIN] Re: Betr.: Re: Average Salary?
- From: "Ron wilson" <rwilson@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:39:02 -0500
I have watched this topic for the past couple days and have delayed a
response just due to the fact that hardly anyone addressed the subject.
I was very disappointed when he was "flamed". He does pose a question
that everyone here thinks even if they won't admit it. Complaining about
pay is also something everyone does. If he is just looking for a place
to vent due to something going on at work I'm fine with my bandwidth
being used for that just due to the fact that we are a community. We are
here to help each other not to ridicule what someone may have to say.
Thank you,
Ron
and yes i am under paid as well ; )
>>> madprofessor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 02/19/03 05:52AM >>>
Tom,
Thank you for your comments. I agree with your point, and that's the
end
of the topic on my part. I personally was looking at it in much the
same
way. We no longer reward professionals for the time they spend in
school
or in their homes learning how to run systems efficiently, and the
market suffers for it.
Cheers, and again apologizing for letting my red Irish temper rear
it's
ugly head,
MadProfessor
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tom Flanagan
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:12 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Betr.: Re: Average Salary?
I really think this Average Salary topic has been overdone. But I am
a
= hypocrite and will add my 2 cents.=20
Judging by the response to the topic it is a hot one. People have
said
= it is not important what you earn and others have given advice in
saying = get you skills up and move on. There has been an oversight
here and = that is the one of exploitation. Sure Mad Professor took
on
the job = knowing the salary but he was probably desperate. His fault
you reckon. = He may not even be that much of a hotshot. The point
here is, as IT = services become cheaper and cheaper and we drive our
market price down = by accepting our brothers plight we all suffer.
=20
10 years ago our IT culture pushed itself into the professional =
workplace with an attitude of importance and we received good salaries
=
and respect in the workplace. It seems now..... rather than trying to
=
move with other professions like lawyers, accountants (don't get me =
wrong here..I'm not saying we want to be associated with these guys)on
a
= salary scale we're happy to see IT people in lower paid jobs end up
like = back yard motor mechanics or less.
IT is a major factor to the performance of any medium size to large =
business. And I have often seen it be neglected in resourcing and =
funding thus leading to unrealistic demand being place with little =
reward. Give the Professor a raise!!! Not for him but for all of us.
Tom - Net Admin, 150 users, 4 citrix servers, ex2000 server, w2K file
=
print DC, w2k DC RAS, w2k Extranet & FTP,=20 Formtrap Server,
Websphere
B2B server - 10servers - what am I on $$$ = who cares I don't do it
for
the money.
-----Original Message-----
From: Angus Macdonald [mailto:Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 5:17 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Betr.: Re: Average Salary?
I'd love to work from home but my role is a little too hands-on for =
that. Add all the meetings, third line helpdesk calls, project work,
server maintenance and the fact that I can only get dialup access at
28.8K from = my house and remote working is probably not going to
happen.
Nice thought though.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gabrie Zanten van [mailto:GVZA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 19 February 2003 08:03
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Betr.: Re: Average Salary?
Maybe you could work from home?
There is a nice tool for that, called something like Cutrux or so I've
=
=3D heard.... :-)
>>> Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 18-02-03 13:57 >>>
Me too but it all comes down to market forces. I could double or
triple
= my salary by moving to work in London but at the moment I am living
and =3D raising my family in a beautiful isolated farmhouse in the
countryside (the =3D mortgage on which would almost buy me a parking
space in london) and working in a reasonably satisfying job with a
good
team in a pleasant location that's easy to get to in the morning.
After
doing my stint in london a decade = =3D ago, that sort of thing is
more
important to me than salary.
Of course, tripling my salary while staying where I am would be
nice..........
-----Original Message-----
From: MadProfessor [mailto:madprofessor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: 18 February 2003 12:28
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
Subject: [THIN] Re: Average Salary?
Well...That definitely shed a little light on the subject... Anyone
else?
Here's a tidbit of information about how badly I'm being screwed: I
make
around 25% of the rate stated below..... Man, I work for cheap
bastards!
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Herman [mailto:gene_herman@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: dinsdag 18 februari 2003 3:09
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
Subject: [THIN] Re: Average Salary?
I would have to imagine $60-70k more if you have certs. Of course you
have to consider benefits
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