Mark, Thanks. They're all very cool, but I'm still trying to find that old clam shell format. Light weight, flat panel with keyboard attached. They most likely will have to go with a small thin PC and just live with the extra moving parts. I'll look over at the more industrial side of things too. =20 These tablets are pretty interesting... -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lee [mailto:marklee15@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 3:20 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Best Thin Client Hardware (Wireless Tablet and full keyboard) Bill, =20 if it's a wireless tablet your after but with full keyboard and mouse connectivity also then check out the Sumo ST370 Wireless Digital Tablet (http://www.sumo-wbt.com). It's a Win CE .NET wireless digital tablet with an 8.4inch touch screen including neat features like handwriting recognition but also has a desktop docking station with IR keyboard/mouse. =20 Mark =20 Bill Sorenson <bsorenson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: The client that's looking for the notebook wants a full keyboard and mouse/pointing device. Something that would allow "normal" typing usage for business applications. The tablets don't quite fit the bill from their point of view. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Greg Reese [mailto:GReese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:11 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Best Thin Client Hardware We just took a bracket designed for mounting laptops in police cars and =3D3D bolted it to the top of a med cart. The pharmacy service provides us =3D =3D3D the carts as part of their contract. The system makes their life easier =3D3D too so they were all for it. The mount has a lock on it that keeps the = =3D =3D3D devices from walking away on us. The app our nurses use is an electronic charting systems that is also a =3D3D physicians orders system. It is letting us make all of our charting = =3D3D completely paperless. It also sends email alerts and pages to the =3D3D doctors when they want them and they can access it through nfuse to = =3D3D monitor their patients. the doctors, nurses, AND the state like it which =3D3D is hard to accomplish in Florida. Everybody in our facility loves the tablets. They are getting their = =3D3D work done in half the time which lets them spend more personal time with =3D3D the patients.=3D3D20 Greg -----Original Message----- From: Stage, Paul [mailto:p.stage@xxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:59 AM To: Stage, Paul Subject: [THIN] Re: Best Thin Client Hardware Sounds like you basically just went with a Tremont cart for probably = =3D3D half the price.:) We currently have the Tremont carts and are looking for a =3D3D type of tablet device to use for our nurses and Dr's. Sounds like the =3D3D technology is there, but not yet really useful in our environment (Hospital). If anyone know of any other devices that would be useful, let me know. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Reese [mailto:GReese@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20 Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:31 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Best Thin Client Hardware I have been researching these for our facility for almost a year. www.infocater.com has a lot if info on the different brands. Tablets =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D fall into two categories. Those running the Windows tablet pc platform = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D and have a hard drive etc. Why this is not classified as a laptop is =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D beyond me. the other is a diskless ce or Linux device. There are less of these out =3D3D =3D3D3D there and many of the ones out there, like the Viewsonic, are pretty =3D =3D3D3D delicate. I have two rugged tablets from Advantech on my desk. They are nice but =3D3D =3D3D3D their flash management is a joke. Wyse and Neoware both have nearly identical tablets available. Both are =3D3D =3D3D3D made for them by Airspeak. The flash management is better but these are =3D3D =3D3D3D heavier and bigger than most tablets. Our nurses did not want to carry the larger tablets. I have found several companies that make mounting solutions for tablets =3D3D =3D3D3D and notebooks. This got me around the too big to carry issue (we went = =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D with the Neoware). It also keeps it safe from drops and spills which =3D =3D3D =3D3D3D are inevitable. For my project, we are mounting tablets to nurses carts for them to use =3D3D =3D3D3D for dispensing medications etc. hope this is the info you are looking for. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sorenson [mailto:bsorenson@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:16 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Best Thin Client Hardware On a little different note, does anyone know of a good Thin Client that's in a notebook format? We've got a Citrix desktop client that wants to move forward with a terminal notebook. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hardy [mailto:Chris.Hardy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:59 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Best Thin Client Hardware Thanks Mike - I'll take a look=3D3D3D3D20 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Batters To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 21/02/03 10:44 Subject: [THIN] Re: Best Thin Client Hardware Chris, No big story like Glenn I am afraid just a quick recommendation. Many of our clients use VXL Netica terminals as thin clients. Cheap Linux based devices, really easy to set up, remote manage etc etc..... Have a look at www.vxl.net for more info. Regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hardy Sent: 20 February 2003 22:16 To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Best Thin Client Hardware Great story Glenn - Thanks for that - also very useful info. In all my research I have found that neoware do make the best thin clients but the way you are using old P 1/2/3 is great too. Again thanks -----Original Message----- From: Sullivan, Glenn To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Sent: 20/02/03 23:51 Subject: [THIN] Re: Best Thin Client Hardware In my case, my Terminal Services implementation was designed to extend the useful life of the existing Pentium 1/2/3 workstations in the company, while also reducing support costs through centralization. So I did a bunch of testing, and came up with what I believe is the ideal "Thin Client" for my company: a stripped down, rebuilt desktop with a custom shell. Now, when it comes time to convert someone from a full-blown desktop to a Terminal Client, I give them a temporary machine that is already set up to connect, and take their machine. If it is capable of running windows 2000 (even barely): *Add a PXE compliant NIC *Perform a RIS unattended CD-Based install with a custom SIF file *Remove the PXE NIC (their old NIC works fine, but will not do RIS) *Rename the machine *Move the created computer account into a "Thin Clients" OU. *GPO is very restrictive *AutoLogon with a service account is setup via Startup Script *RDP Client 5.1 is installed via GPO *A Custom Explorer Shell Replacement program is install by GPO *That shell replacement is used at boot instead of Explorer.exe *Startup script checks for a new version of the shell at boot *If Found, it is copied locally *Sets up PendingFileRenameOperations to replace old version at boot *Reboots If it cannot run Windows 2000: *Add a NE2000 compatible NIC *Boot with a custom boot disk *Wipes all partitions & reboots *Creates a single 100% partition & reboots *formats, connects to the network, and copies Win98SE source files down *Pauses so you can remove the NE2000 Nic and reboot *Automatically installs Win98SE at bootup, unattended. *Log into Win98 with a service account *logon Script sets up shell replacement, and does similar version checking. The Custom Shell has the ability to also run applications installed locally (for example, a Digital Camera utility) and because the machines themselves are running a full operating system, I can share a printer, install VNC, do just about anything I want with them... And, after all that, some people who have had nothing but VT terminals (don't ask) get Neoware Capio 610's as a replacement. They have worked well for us. So that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it, Glenn Sullivan, MCSE+I MCDBA David Clark Company Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hardy [mailto:Chris.Hardy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 4:27 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Best Thin Client Hardware Hi All I would like to ask the list for what people is the best thin client hardware. I understand that your first question will be what is it going to be used for. Well, let me put it back to everyone by saying - Lets go from the very basic to the most feature rich models. Any stories (about thin client hardware ofcourse :)) )that come along with your advise on this matter would also be nice. Thanks Guys and Gals Chris P.S: Come to think of it - any stories would be nice - there isnt enough story telling on the list :)))) ************************************************************************ MIMEsweeper has been used to check this email for security ************************************************************************ ********************************************************* This Week's Sponsor - Neoware Now through March 31, 2003 Neoware is offering a Capio 500/Eon Proven 2100 for $299! 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