[THIN] Re: Azure or EC2?
- From: Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 21:43:45 -0000
Indeed. The cloud billing model is, as Brian points out, geared towards
PaaS not IaaS. Consider:-
* Where does your image customisation come from?
* how do your services join your domain?
* where are the SQL services going to be?
* how does the cloud network interaction work with your cloud? Does it need
to?
There is a significant cost saving if you down servers and keep the image
in storage: is it possible to automate that “tepid standby” recovery? I’ve
not found a good way yet L
Azure did/do a free 3 month hosting plan: ideal for testing. I managed to
burn through that capacity in a long weekend with 5 XenApp capable servers
when I forgot to turn them off. MS sent me a letter L I’ve looked at
hosting a whole platform in a couple of sites and **always** works out more
expensive than (say) talking to your friendly hosting provider.
Also no Netscaler for Azure as yet (although there is for Amazon). Ask
yourself – how **can** you operate without Netscaler ;)
Jim Moyle & Rick Dehlonger did some work on this subject back in 2010.
Their work was presented in a number of sessions on and around
Cloudbursting:
http://www.jimmoyle.com/tag/cloudbursting/
http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/videos/archive/2010/08/27/Cloudbursting-XenApp_3A00_-Hype-or-Reality_3F002C00_-a-video-from-BriForum-2010.aspx
A lot the questions they asked then still find themselves in need of
answering
It’d be an interesting topic to revisit.
If anyone would like to sponsor someone to do that, I can be reassuringly
expensive…
*From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Brian Ehlert
*Sent:* 03 January 2013 03:04
*To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [THIN] Re: Azure or EC2?
PaaS machines are less expensive than IaaS due to the extras included
(storage, network).
Prices are reduced until GA.
The virtual network gateway will cost extra.
SQL Azure is far less expensive than a vm running SQL .
Etc. So you really have to know what you want AND think creatively.
IaaS on Azure is not cheap.
But, it is very easy to determine the cost of each and every machine, and
make you think if you should combine things.
Now. I didn't even get into how to deploy to ensure you have HA in Azure.
Else plan for a single VM to be down for a maximum of 30 minutes.
I could go on.
But as Andrew has been warning you...
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*From: *Ryan Finnesey <ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent: *1/2/2013 5:55 PM
*To: *thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject: *[THIN] Re: Azure or EC2?
That is one thing I need to really explore. The cost of azure. May not be
the best use case.
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*From: *Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent: *1/2/2013 6:22 PM
*To: *thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject: *[THIN] Re: Azure or EC2?
I realise that – in our instance the pilot let us better understand the
costs involved should it be deployed.
Not saying its not production ready, just not production viable for that
project.
*From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Ryan Finnesey
*Sent:* 03 January 2013 01:18
*To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [THIN] Re: Azure or EC2?
I am thinking of a production deployment.
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*From: *Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent: *1/2/2013 6:03 PM
*To: *thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject: *[THIN] Re: Azure or EC2?
Testing and pilot. Never made it to production
*From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
Behalf Of *Ryan Finnesey
*Sent:* 02 January 2013 20:28
*To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [THIN] Re: Azure or EC2?
Was this for production or testing?
*From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
*On Behalf Of *Andrew Wood
*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2012 4:45 PM
*To:* Thin
*Subject:* [THIN] Re: Azure or EC2?
On Azure (with XenApp) .. yes. On EC2 - no. On Rackspace (XA) - yes.
My problem with Azure was the cost mounting up, the integration with local
services, although its more doable than it used to be.
On 24 December 2012 06:39, Ryan Finnesey <ryan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Has anyone deployed XenApp/XenDesktop on Azure or EC2? I am thinking of a
production deployment design in ether Azure or EC2
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