[THIN] Re: 4.0 to 4.5 questions

  • From: "Carl Stalhood" <cstalhood@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:07:12 -0600

When you say 5, I assume you mean the Parra release. Parra is not scheduled
until 2009. Any release between now and then will assume that PS 4.5 is
already installed. Feature Pack 1 is an example of that.

On 12/6/07, Mike Semon <msemon@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I have just finished upgrading a farm from 4.0 to 4.5 No problems.
> Reallocated the licenses, reinstalled the license server and ran the upgrade
> on the Presentation servers. Ran the first upgrade on the Farm metric
> server. There is no rush to 4.5 unless you want some of the new features
> of 4.5.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Berny Stapleton
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:08 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: 4.0 to 4.5 questions
>
> I believe the next version of Presentation Server will be dependent
> upon Windows Server 2008, and not 2003. There will be updates and
> feature releases for 4.0 and 4.5 still. In the long term though, 4.5
> is the last release of Presentation Server 4.5 and given it's release
> date will be supported for longer than 4.0.
>
> What's the rush to get to 4.5? It's not like it's unsupported or
> anything...
>
>
> On 06/12/2007, IT Support <it@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > We're planning on migrating from 4 to a new 4.5 farm.
> >
> >
> >
> > Should we wait for 5 instead?
> >
> >
> >
> > Are there any firm release dates yet?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of mach1-70@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Sent: 30 November 2007 21:18
> >
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: 4.0 to 4.5 questions
> >
> >
> >
> > I tested / deployed parts of PS 4.5 in a new farm...I didn't risk
> > introducting 4.5 into my 4.0 farm and I am glad that I didn't...I echo
> all
> > the concerns from below and then some as I experienced them as
> well....Some
> > additional issues that I experienced was random lockups / lots of
> seamless
> > issues (if you can't be on the bleeding edge of the client version then
> you
> > will have issues)...The taskbar issue below was the straw for us as we
> > applied all the fixes / rollups that Citrix support could throw at us
> and it
> > did not resolve the issue...We have had a case open with escalation for
> > months in regards to installation manager....I have never opened so many
> > support cases as I have for 4.5...The AMC is crap and dog slow compared
> to
> > the CMC and you have to use both....One other post I read here said it
> quite
> > accurately...If you do not need the features that 4.5 brings then steer
> > clear...Our organization is not persuing 4.5 - hopefully all the bugs
> are
> > corrected by ver 5
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Selinger, Stephen" <SSelinger@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Date: 2007/11/30 Fri AM 11:26:30 CST
> >
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: 4.0 to 4.5 questions
> >
> >
> >
> > Could you please expand on: "Make sure you check the PS 4.5 Load
> > evaluators in the PS 4.5 CMC. These have Load Throttling enabled and
> this
> > isnt visible in the PS 4 CMC. The default load throttling settings can
> > cause some interesting results at logon time"Â What interesting results
> have
> > you seen? What was your workaround to these issues if any? Thanks!
> >
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> > Of M
> >
> > Sent:November 29, 2007 2:20 PM
> >
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Subject:[THIN] Re: 4.0 to 4.5 questions
> >
> >
> >
> > My little bit of input ..... As well as what has been mentioned and
> > depending on your Farm components / design. Always test first before
> > introducing to your live Farm. Have you got a test farm to test with ?Â
> The
> > majority of the CMC functions have moved to the AMC and this can be
> quite
> > confusing if you havent used it before.Some functions still remain in
> the PS
> > 4.5 CMC - Installation Manager Package deployment, Load Evaluators,
> Printer
> > settings,RM Summary Database settings, Isolation Environments , Some
> Zone
> > settings remain as well. If you use Resource Manager update your RM
> server
> > before your application servers.Also be aware of the following with PS
> 4.5
> > RM
> > http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX113003&printable=trueÂ;
> > Keep the PS 4.5 servers in seperate Zones from the PS 4 servers.
> Dedicate
> > ZDCs if you can ( depends on farm size / design etc etc)Â Test your
> > Applications first with PS 4.5 Rollup 1. Rollup 1 breaks some
> applications
> > and you may get issues with applications that cover the taskbar. Post
> Rollup
> > 1 patches fix these issues. The Citrix foums have lots of interesting
> posts
> > about broken applications. Review the Post Rollup 1 hotfixes.ÂInstallation
> > Manager is broken with PS 4.5 . Rollup 1 also needs a private hotfix if
> > your pushing MSI files with transforms and / or you have an IM account
> with
> > a large number of characters or the password has non std characters
> (this
> > didnt get fixed properly in rollup 1). Read the Rollup 1 read me as
> well.Â
> > Applications published in the PS 4.5 Access Management Console cannot be
> > modified by the PS 4 CMC. You also cant drag a published app created in
> the
> > PS 4.5 AMC to a server in the PS 4 CMC. PS 4.5 Policies have new
> features
> > that arent visible in the PS 4 CMC. Check out the Speedscreen options
> (lossy
> > compression). Make sure you check the PS 4.5 Load evaluators in the
> PS
> > 4.5 CMC. These have Load Throttling enabled and this isnt visible in the
> PS
> > 4 CMC. The default load throttling settings can cause some interesting
> > results at logon time. If your using 64 bit 2003 + PS 4.5 the hotfixes
> > release dates can lag a bit behind the 32 bit versions. Have fun.... i
> > did    ----- Original Message -----   From:  Matthew   McComas   To:
> > thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx   Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:21
> PM  Subject:
> > [THIN] 4.0 to 4.5 questions
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetings:
> >
> > Â
> >
> > According to the Citrix web site upgrading from CPS 4.0 to   4.5 appears
> to
> > be very seamless…I have a few questions however that perhaps   one of
> you
> > can answer:
> >
> > Â
> >
> > 1.         When you install CPS 4.5 on a server and join it to
> the
> > CPS 4.0 farm does it upgrade the CPS 4.0 database in any   way?
> >
> > 2.         Rather than having a big upgrade weekend, I was
> > considering building a 4.5 image, and just rolling it out to our servers
> a
> > few   at a time, until all are converted.  At what point should the ZDC
> be
> >  upgraded, or does this even matter?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 3.         Are there any other “gotchas†we should be aware of
> > when planning the deployment?  (BTW â€" our farm is running on Server
> 2003
> >  R2 / fully patched up)
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Matt McComas
> >
> > Information Technology
> >
> > Westdale Asset Management, Ltd.
> >
> > Â
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