[texbirds] Re: common-names capitalization, scientific-name stability
- From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Mark B Bartosik <MBB22222@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:40:19 -0500
>>
A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse ...I could get into this but
why?...B
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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:31 PM, <MBB22222@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Mr. Leukering,
>
> I have no idea what about you disagree with me so once more here is what I
> wrote in my last post word by word:
> .... Latin names 'change' mostly because of splits/lumps (sometimes done
> because author wanted to make the mark - some split other lump it again and
> this process might even repeat a few times) or older name was found but
> again all these names are tied to a type specimen (yes, type specimen
> might
> sometimes not belong to what we thought is an actual population of name
> bearers so revision is needed) and thus its application can always be
> traced and
> rules can by applied.....
>
> It seems to me that you wrote exactly the same what I did perhaps in
> better English. Perhaps disagreement is how often Latin name are changing.
> This
> depends how well some birds were studied. BTW I did not want to introduce
> some more problems with common names but you opened another can of worms.
> Common names (English or whatever) do not point to any genus; Warbler or
> Flycatcher and many more names have no meaning where to place the bird.
> Can you
> imagine if somebody will use one of those without Latin name of the genus?
> Warbler sp. won't fly.
>
> So Latin specific name (or specific epithet) usually do not change often;
> genus name more often (and, at least, show that some new studies were
> done). In lumps might happen that the same specific name was already used
> so
> naturally new name must be created to separate two species with the same
> species name (genus+specific). Fact that common names stay unchanged
> after a new
> revision that required to change Latin names to me only shows how
> inadequate they often are. They might be OK to use in social talks but
> not (not
> alone) in any scientific work.
>
> Mark B Bartosik
> Houston, Texas
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/22/2013 7:34:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> greatgrayowl@xxxxxxx writes:
>
> Secondly, I disagree with Mr. Bartosik. Scientific names are changed just
> about as often as are common names, due to most of the same reasons,
> primarily splits and lumps. However, scientific names are also changed
> occasionally because someone works out that the name that we've known for
> so long
> is incorrect for at least one of a variety of reasons, the most frequent
> being that the name is not the oldest that applies directly to the type
> specimen of the species.
>
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