I guess I'll jump back in again. Firstly, if we knew with 100% certainty that the bird arrived on a driftwood snag that came from an appropriate location, it would be accepted without question. Now - Let's say we knew the above, but also knew that the snag had been created during human land clearing operations, and was unintentionally moved into the waterway. Was the bird human assisted? Most - if not all would probably accept the record. Next, let's assume we knew that it arrived on a small boat that was adrift - no people on board. What then? The next step, of course, is to know that it arrived via ship without the knowledge of any human. My goal with the above scenarios is to highlight the difficulty of trying to establish specific criteria for either acceptance or rejection. That's why we have the TBRC. I have never served on that board, and never will, as my skills and knowledge are insufficient. But I do know some folks that have. There is a reason why many potential records have split votes. That's good. I have even heard a story about one record that was accepted many years ago on an 8 to 1 vote. And the person voting against it was the person who submitted the record. -- Jim Sinclair (TX-ESA) TOS Life Member Kingsville, TX "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." - Albert Einstein