[texbirds] Re: TX City Dike - Birding Vs. Security
- From: Steve Gast <segast23@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ronniekramer1964@xxxxxxxxx" <ronniekramer1964@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:08:59 -0600
Fact; The Texas City Refinery was recently sold by BP to another company
(Marathon I think).
Hypothesis: This could simply be reflection of new management and a learning
curve plus a new or higher sense of security and safety issues over prior
years.
Patience and respectful communications will work over time I predict to
re-establish a normal situation.
Steve Gast
Houston TX
On Feb 14, 2013, at 6:33 AM, Ronnie Kramer <ronniekramer1964@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have no problem with authorities 'checking out' individuals.
> If one goes to Google Earth, they can see more details at these facilities
> than you ever could with a camera or scope from the dike. The permits for
> building these facilities, with plans, are public information available to
> anyone who asks. Permits from the EPA, TCEQ, OSHA, etc. along with the
> Google Earth, provides more detail than anyone could ever hope to gain from
> the dike. You can clearly see control rooms, power plants, boilers, steam
> generators, cooling towers, bulk terminals, anything you wish.
>
> What you can't see is current projects.
>
> If there is current interest in secrecy, it is because they are installing
> something new or working on old equipment. While this occurs, their stock
> prices bounce up and down. Industries have spent millions, successfully,
> changing state law 4 years ago so that their notifications to state
> agencies regarding these activities can no longer be made publicly
> available until the work is complete.
>
> If I thought for a moment that taking pics from the dike was a real
> problem, I would abide. However there is nothing whatsoever to indicate
> this is anything more than a corporation using it's clout for its own
> agenda.
>
> Now, here is a scenario where I did abide. While scouting I wandered into
> the Travis County Jail parking lots. I had no idea where I was (honestly),
> but I have some great photos of nighthawks sitting on top of the fence
> surrounded by razor wire.
>
> http://s1325.beta.photobucket.com/user/RonnieLynnKramer/media/222768_218788931466889_3548039_n_zpsf5459906.jpg.html
>
> http://s1325.beta.photobucket.com/user/RonnieLynnKramer/media/228540_218788951466887_4533258_n_zps2b1a49b6.jpg.html
>
> http://s1325.beta.photobucket.com/user/RonnieLynnKramer/media/228534_218788971466885_6749424_n_zps317975b9.jpg.html
>
> From the next photo you can see I was 'checked out.' These nice guys were
> concerned that my 400 mm hanging out the car window and pointing at the
> recreation yard might indicate some suspicious behavior.
>
> http://s1325.beta.photobucket.com/user/RonnieLynnKramer/media/225443_218790801466702_7059446_n_zpsb64f7606.jpg.html
>
> After they took their hands off their guns and we had a friendly
> discussion, I was told there was no law against what I was doing, but that
> I should expect to be checked out again if I decided to return. :)
>
> In this case I fully understand the concern and I have not been back in 2
> years.
>
> I do not advocate disrespect for proper authority.
>
> Ronnie Kramer, Austin
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Brush Freeman <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> I had a flat on I-10, security did not fix it for me. Dang semi trucks
>> almost blew it off the wimpy little factory jack as they passed. No
>> security there! Drat their hides! Just ain't like the old days when we
>> had security!
>> --
>> Brush Freeman
>> Independent and affiliated Field Biologist
>> 361-655-7641 Cell
>> 720-202-0276 Business
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>> Finca Alacranes., Utley,Texas
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