Bryan, I think your gnatcatcher is a Blue-gray that has molted some tail feathers. I can't see any reason that the hummingbird is a somewhat worn male Black-chinned Hummer. jca John C. Arvin Research Associate Gulf Coast Bird Observatory 103 West Hwy 332 Lake Jackson, TX 77566 jarvin@xxxxxxxx www.gcbo.org Austin, Texas ---------------------------------------- From: "Bryan Tarbox" <gme_btarbox@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:08 PM To: "tex birds" <texbirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [texbirds] South Llano River SP - Help w/ hummingbird & gnatcatcher ID (photos) Birded South Llano River State Park today and ran into a couple of birds that we were uncertain about. The first is a gnatcatcher, that I assume is probably just some weird Blue-gray Gnatcatcher (juvenile?). The undertail was entirely black, but I feel like it's missing some feathers or something. The tail didn't have a full appearance, and doesn't really match the patterning of a Black-tailed, either. In fact, there's almost no pattern at all, just sheer black (which is not just backlighting, the appearance in the photos is true to life). It appears to have a bit of an eye ring and be a little too blue for a Black-tailed, imo, but I'm not particularly familiar with them, to be honest (just going off Sibley's). I don't really know what to make of the broad vs. narrow white tertial edges that they mention in Sibley's, either. The photos aren't particularly good for that field mark. http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902630 http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902631 http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902632 The next is a hummingbird that seems like possibly a Calliope (apparent white in the gorget), but can't really rule out any of the Selasphorus, either. Obviously, it's very buffy/creamy, and in spots that seem weird (to me, at least). The lighting was awful, so our looks (and my photos) were pretty bad. Am I just way off and it's an Archilochus? http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902633 http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902634 http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902635 http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902636 http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902637 http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902638 http://www.pbase.com/disx0d/image/143902639 Thanks, Bryan Tarbox Tomball, TX